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DisentangledElm t1_j0hxcn9 wrote

Good luck enforcing this. The companies first need to penalize, including banning, riders that ditch the scooters in inappropriate places. It'd be nice if we could get them off the roads, especially when they zoom down the wrong way at night. That might be a bridge too far, though.

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bmore t1_j0i2aji wrote

You're commenting good luck enforcing this on a post about effective data-backed enforcement. Kinda weak.

By the way, companies will and do ban riders for repeated parking offenses.

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DisentangledElm t1_j0i4737 wrote

Probably because the stat about effectiveness was at the bottom and the title was "we're testing," not "here are the results of our test." I'm saying it's difficult to enforce because I see people ditch these things in the street a lot. Yes, I'm one of those "evil motorists" this sub seems to hate, but I dislike these things because a) they're hard to see at night b) they get ditched in the roadways and driveways and c) they care about as much for traffic laws as cyclists do (e.g., blowing through reds). Corralling them is great, if you can get people to do it.

I'd be more interested in the stats for the "non-hub" areas.

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bmore t1_j0i7di4 wrote

Are you implying cyclists and scooter users break traffic laws at higher rates than motorists?

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Cunninghams_right t1_j0i376u wrote

it's a problem of a really useful mode of transportation but the city infrastructure being totally car dominant. want to guess how much of the Amsterdam sidewalk/street infrastructure is set aside for bikes? one of, if not THE, world bike mecca is 7% dedicated bike infrastructure. 7%. people ride scooters the wrong way up the street because there is nowhere to ride them properly.

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DisentangledElm t1_j0i4sd2 wrote

You can ride the scooter up the one way going the direction you want to go?

The problem with bikes and scooters is they try to enjoy the privileges of pedestrians while ignoring the fact that they have to obey traffic laws too.

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Cunninghams_right t1_j0imzzn wrote

>The problem with bikes and scooters is they try to enjoy the privileges of pedestrians while ignoring the fact that they have to obey traffic laws too.

that is exactly the point. bikes and scooters ARE like being a pedestrian and should be able to go both ways on any street. imagine if every sidewalk along a 1-way street could only be walked in one direction.

what you're saying is equivalent to: "I hate that people walk north on the sidewalk next to St. Paul street. why can't they just go over to Calvert sidewalks to walk north". it's ridiculous to force people walking to have to walk in the direction of cars. one-way streets only exist because of the shitty space efficiency and danger of cars.

just like pedestrians shouldn't have to walk only in one direction along the sidewalk, bikes/scooters should have a lane to go in both direction on each street.

our culture is so "Stockholm-syndromed" from cars that people just assume the car infrastructure is true, right, just, and handed down by god, and everything else must conform to them, and giving up single-digit percent of road space so that people don't have to do crazy circuitous routes to follow the dumbass car layout is unthinkable.

bikes and scooters don't need 1-way streets, just like pedestrians don't need 1-way sidewalks. one-way streets are a dumbass requirement because cars are a dumbass way to get around a city. the infrastructure should be updated so that people can use any other mode aside from a polluting, dangerous, lazy-boy on wheels. nobody is even asking to get rid of cars... just single-digit of space. that's it. but it's unthinkable...

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neutronicus t1_j0p7v4p wrote

If you have to obey traffic laws like a car it's just a slow, shitty, uber

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Cunninghams_right t1_j0r9rxu wrote

I still don't think people should ride the wrong way on the street, but really any street with the room should automatically get a reverse-direction bike lane with bollards.

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neutronicus t1_j0rq0xl wrote

I use the non-bollarded one at Falls and Maryland to run down that hill against traffic all the time

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Longey13 t1_j0hz75l wrote

Seems like it's already worked without enforcement

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PoopIsAlwaysSunny t1_j0iafah wrote

Off the roads? To go where? On sidewalks with pedestrians? Fuck that.

They’re motorized, wheeled vehicles. They should never be on sidewalks

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Linkums t1_j0iuq0n wrote

You want them off the roads. Someone else wants them off the sidewalk. I don't know where I'm supposed to ride them now.

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