Submitted by TakeCareBeWell t3_10mrkrs in baltimore

Our home heating suddenly went kaput last Friday evening. Upon checking, I found the problem—the pilot light won’t stay on, and therefore, the gas wouldn’t ignite to start heating. A Google search for heating repair in our area brought me to Michael and Son at the top of the listing with nearly 5 stars from 4,000-odd reviews. When I called them, they said the earliest they could arrange for a technician visit would be the following Tuesday and that it’d incur a fee of $89.

My household braved the cold spell of the weekend, Monday, and Tuesday morning in anticipation of Tuesday afternoon’s visit. Two guys duly arrived in two separate vans. They checked the pilot light in the same way that I did and told me that a component inside had broken off, probably due to rust or wear and tear—not surprising since the gas heating unit was manufactured in 1976. They said they’d order the part (at my cost) right after they left our house and replace it within a day or two.

Friday has come around again. We are still reeling from the cold with no heat. There has been no proactive communication from them, and when I called to check, their customer service person said “a request for the part has been placed for approval.” They wouldn’t explain what that meant, when the part would arrive, and when they’d come in to replace it.

I don’t even know how long I’m supposed to wait before giving up on them and trying to find another company to do this. Has this been anyone else’s experience with Michael and Son? (I can’t even read or write their name without having the jingle play in my brain!) 🤪

EDITED 1/28/2023 to update: I called them today and cancelled any remaining work connection with them. I use the word "connection" because they never told me anything concrete about the work that is yet to be done. I'm out of $89, but perhaps I shall see it as a penalty for my idiocy in not asking around more before going with a BigName from a Google search!! THANK YOU to all who responded to my frantic message.

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Lilmiga t1_j6560z4 wrote

You need to get out of it today.

Unfortunately, the General Manager/ Manager for the Baltimore office, HVAC/Electrical Dept. has ZERO experience in either one of these trades. He unsuccessfully ran a restaurant before joining Michael and Son’s about a year ago. Shortly after arrival, he began firing long time knowledgable technicians and managers who questioned his authority or whom he didn’t like. They are hurting for quality technicians due to this and other reasons. Their corporate office and the people who answer the phone are in Richmond, VA and have no real way to help you. They are just told to make as many sales as possible.

You unit is 47 years old. Finding a part for it may be difficult. Most technicians won’t even touch a unit that old. You may need to think about replacing the unit even though it’s an unexpected expense. For any home repair problems you may have, don’t use Michael & Sons or heavily advertised big companies. Try a smaller locally owner/operated company. They can give you a better deal because of less overhead. And they care more about quality service and customer satisfaction. Oh. And make sure they are licensed.

Edit: there/their

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Broad-Brush t1_j64r7o8 wrote

Stay away from any home service business you see heavily advertising (Michael & Sons, Horizon, Len The Plumber, Blue Dot, etc.). Their business model relies on techs that are heavily incentivized to sell and not repair. The reason they advertise so much is that the business model does not support repeat customers. They want to take as much as they can and move on.

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thefish1986 t1_j65rme5 wrote

Those companies aren’t service company’s. Their sales companies. Literally at a call today where two different techs from horizon said heat exchanger was shot. It was a little bit of rust in pressure switch tube. I asked the home owner what did they test. She said nothing. It’s like yeah I know there is no hole in the flue pipe so how did they do a combustion analysis test. Criminals.

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Broad-Brush t1_j65wxqg wrote

Exactly, I really don't know how anyone could live with themselves doing that to people. To make matters worse anyone who takes their word will get met with a high pressure salesperson who will rob them blind. We had a customer recently that got a quote for the same equipment we quoted that was double our price.

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HorsieJuice t1_j68wb1q wrote

idk, I've had the local Len the Plumber out a few times. I haven't been blown away by their work - some guys were good, some less so - but none of them were terrible, unlike some owner-operators I've tried. I'd rate them as perfectly average. I like Saffer a lot better, but they can get booked out a ways.

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NewrytStarcommander t1_j64oqpk wrote

They did this to me and left me without heat for almost two months. Same exact story; except they kept parts shot-gunning my furnace without fixing it. Finally the last part they installed, I called and called and they kept saying part was ordered, they'd let me know. Finally after about 4 weeks of this, I called and said enough, we are ending this service agreement unless you can tell me exactly when that part is arriving, and they transferred me to a service manager who was like, oh your part is here, would you like it installed?. They are the absolute worst. If I were you I'd call them right now, tell them you are ending the agreement (read the fine print, there's some language in it on what you might owe) and immediately go with another company. I will never never never work with Michael and Sons again- I have very low tolerance for garbage client communication and theirs reeks.

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TakeCareBeWell OP t1_j64z71r wrote

I wish I had remembered to ask out here BEFORE I reached out to a Big Name company. Sigh 😞

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Dylan552 t1_j6539oc wrote

We use Complete Climate Services, our heat also went out few weeks ago. They came the next day, figured out the problem, said they’d have to call to see if the part is still being made if not we may have to replace our system which they said if we have the money we might want to due to the age of the system.

They called me back in 30 minutes saying they had the part in stock and could come back the next day to fix it.

Called back an hour later saying they could come by same day and fix it. I’ve liked them they seem honest, laid out multiple options and were very communicative.

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baltimorecalling t1_j65b1cf wrote

>They checked the pilot light in the same way that I did and told me that a component inside had broken off

That sounds like a bad thermocouple.

Thermocouples are cheap and not terribly difficult to replace.

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Ok-Beautiful-8403 t1_j64vlqc wrote

We had our pilot light go out very recently. We called bge, they came out on a saturday. With such an old unit, we decided to just replace it, or they may be back soon again.... and installed new unit that monday, which was a holiday.

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Inquisitive_Force11 t1_j65dkj5 wrote

Had my moms water heater go out, BGE coverage was all over it in a matter of hours. The part was older but got one from another gas company and had it replaced within in 6 hours. Honestly, I wouldn’t use any other service for gas related (water heater, gas stove or furnace) products then them. Yearly policies are reasonable as well. They take gas related issues very seriously!

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WorldComposting t1_j65jc54 wrote

I've had good luck with AJ Michaels. Used them multiple times and even a couple times they fixed the issue when I thought I would need something replaced and only charged the service visit.

A lot of the big guys really push replacement and expensive parts without trying smaller things first.

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unholyburns t1_j6616mg wrote

Frosty is a locally and family owned. Always had good experiences with them.

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sxswnxnw t1_j64qmsc wrote

No, but, I had them come out for an estimate on installing an outlet in an area that had never had an outlet. That visit cost 75 or 80 dollars, and the estimate was 2k, the highest of the estimates I received.

They did not get the job.

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yeaughourdt t1_j659tjv wrote

If it's just a broken igniter you can probably replace it yourself today. It's a little piece of ceramic that heats up enough to light the gas, and mine broke last year from wear. I was able to get a new one same day at an HVAC supply store up in Timonium and it was an extremely easy job to replace it. Just pull out your old one and look for a part number. Might be a different story with something from 1976 though.

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TakeCareBeWell OP t1_j65p8er wrote

That’s the thing, I’m not sure if what I’m lookin at is a broken igniter or a broken thermocouple. I shall have to check again closely.

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ampetertree t1_j65e31a wrote

Terrible company. Worst experience I had was with them.

Of all the chain advertising companies BG&E Home might be the only one worth a try.

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timmg42 t1_j65n3j0 wrote

If you need a recommendation, I can't speak highly enough of Perry Hall Heating!

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TakeCareBeWell OP t1_j65o9zf wrote

I’ve heard so many good things about them! Sadly, they are completely shut down on the weekends. I’ll try on Monday.

SAD NEWS It appears that Perry Hall doesn't do Gas Boilers. Someone came out today to check it out. One look at our heating system, and the guy said, "Sorry, but nope."

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gaiagrey t1_j66ojl3 wrote

They’re awful. We scheduled work and paid the deposit. They never did the work nor returned the deposit.

We really like supertech hvac.

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XanderCruse t1_j68h8eg wrote

I've used HVAC Direct for my heating and cooling and they've been great.

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MereyB t1_j64q2gs wrote

We’ve had very good luck with them upgrading our boiler system from oil to gas and doing annual service. We did have to wait for days for service one time, but that’s because there was a big snow and the plows skipped our street. As soon as we got plowed we called them and they came out the same day. We didn’t need a part so there was no further delay.

We’ve also called them for basic plumbing repairs, but I’d go to a different plumber for that stuff from now on.

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TakeCareBeWell OP t1_j64zhxu wrote

Good to know you had a positive experience with them. I wish I could say the same.

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doingoodnhappy t1_j69doqe wrote

Try Future Tech Heating and Cooling. Scott is honest and very reasonable. He will do his best to fit you in ASAP.

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CharmCityPete t1_j6fqjqe wrote

I’ve had great experiences with Bge home. As others have said, I’d be very surprised if a part is available for a system of this vintage. A new one would much more efficient.

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