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Cunninghams_right t1_j3kfel8 wrote

Reply to comment by instantcoffee69 in All routes are running! Limited service will resume on each route, beginning 7am, Jan 9. by BmoreCityDOT

The city should really just subsidize rental bikes and scooters. Some of the rental companies offer 3 wheeled seated scooters, so you can just sit and press the GO button. It would be cheaper than the buses.

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BmoreCityDOT OP t1_j3m0snx wrote

Rental bikes and scooters and mobility chairs are already available in Baltimore.

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[deleted] t1_j3m1lry wrote

The bird e-bikes and scooters are far too expensive to be practical for most people. I'm not even really sure they're much cheaper than an uber.

For a point of comparison -- I rode a Blue Bike e-bike in New Orleans a couple months ago for for 20 minutes and it was $4.38. I also rode it for 54 minutes a seperate time and it was only $12. I rode a Bird e-bike for 8 minutes in Baltimore and it was $4.50.

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BmoreCityDOT OP t1_j3snauf wrote

Bird, Link, and Spin, as part of their agreement to be in Baltimore, all have to include low-income plans.

Bird's is called Bird Community Pricing, Link's is called Link-UP, and Spin's is called Spin Access.

All are available to apply for on our website: https://transportation.baltimorecity.gov/node/16117

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Cunninghams_right t1_j3m7mqy wrote

FYI, the buses in Baltimore cost about $3 per passenger mile.

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[deleted] t1_j3m92u5 wrote

So in my experience then the micro-mobility stuff in New Orleans beats the cost of the bus here per mile, but in Baltimore it's actually more expensive to use the bike share. The city really does need to subsidize this stuff more if they want it to be more useful. Bringing back the docked bikes would probably help if they could manage it correctly this time.

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Cunninghams_right t1_j3mqp2b wrote

short rides cost more because there is a fixed fee to start. an 8min ride would be a much shorter distance than the average bus trip. also, many of those companies offer subscriptions that offer a handful of free rides per day. if memory serves, one of them was $16. compare that to the unsubsidized cost of a monthly transit pass of about $300-$350.

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the problem with the docked bikes is that they're more expensive to manage and not as convenient because they aren't as distributed. docked can work somewhat ok as long as an efficient company is running it. the city running it would be multiple times more expensive. simply not worth it, especially given that it's so unlikely that it would be done well.

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instantcoffee69 t1_j3nq84w wrote

What are you talking about. It's how much people pay. Public transportation should not require ROI or break even. Roads certainly don't.

A charmpass daily is between $4.60 and $2.48.

Your comments are nonsensical. It's clean you have no idea who rides the buss in Baltimore or even taken it if you think scooters and bikes are a better system.

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Cunninghams_right t1_j3p8bjl wrote

Why should bikes/scooters break even? If people prefer them to transit, we should subsidize them like buses. A monthly charm pass actually costs about $300-350.

Also, I'm not saying we should replace buses with scooters/bikes, we can have both.

Also, if you don't think bikes/scooters are good transportation, would you like to wager on a race? Throw some darts at a map of Baltimore city and see who gets to each location the fastest, you on transit and me on a bike.

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instantcoffee69 t1_j3qocsn wrote

Sorry boss, that's Transit Link Card, which covers:

  • WMATA Metrorail and Metrobus
  • Montgomery County RideOn
  • DASH – Alexandria, VA
  • MTA CityLink, LocalLink, Express BusLink (up charge included), Metro SubwayLink and Light RailLink

So if you're going to take MTA bus, to MARC, to Metro I got a feeling it's going to beat your scooter.

This confirmed my suspicion, you don't take the bus. Keep to your scooters.

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Cunninghams_right t1_j3qtnxx wrote

again, it't not an either-or situation. I don't know why I have to keep explaining this. for trips within the city, scooters and bikes are better. if you're commuting to DC, then bikes and scooters make a good first/last mile mode. traditional transit and bike/scooters complement each other.

you can try to ignore that I was talking about within Baltimore and be a douche for no reason if you want, but it's hardly useful to anything but feeding your own ego. honestly, what value do you get in intentionally misinterpreting what I said? does it actually make you feel good? I do't understand. please explain it to me.

you're right, I don't take Baltimore's transit because I don't work in DC and I own a bike, which means I can get anywhere in the city easier, faster, and cheaper than taking transit. if I do need to go to DC, I either bring my bike or I rent a scooter when I get there because a bike or scooter still outperforms DC's transit for trips of less than about 8 miles (depending on the route).

so I'll ask again, if you think there is no value at all in bikes or scooters, please, lets wager and have a race WITHIN BALTIMORE CITY. we can throw darts at a map and race between, say, 4-5 locations.

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Cunninghams_right t1_j3m6zal wrote

If they were subsidized like buses, they would be more energy efficient and faster.

Which rental mobility scooters are available?

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Xanny t1_j3nxf3t wrote

Pretty sure drivers would go out of their way to try killing me if I tried to bike around southwest. There isn't a single protected bike lane that actually runs an entire street anywhere over here.

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Cunninghams_right t1_j3p77a2 wrote

Unfortunately, it's a catch 22 where people don't want to build bike lane because they don't see people biking, but people don't like to bike without any separation. Subsidizing scooters and bike will help by letting the brave people have easy transportation

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