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Timely-Huckleberry73 t1_jaae8pf wrote

My interest in stoicism comes from personal experience. I suffered a neurological injury ten years ago as a young man. As a result I have lost everything (although according to a stoic I have lost nothing). I lost my health, my agency, my independence, my career, my love life, my sex life, my hobbies, my friends, my social status, even my identity. I live in excruciating agony every day, my whole body feels like it is on fire, I have constant migraines, I spend half my time lying in the dark hiding from light and sounds because they are like knives being driven into my eyes and ears respectively. I have severe insomnia and it is not uncommon for me to be awake for three days straight. My eyes, hurt my vision is blurry, everything hurts. My body is failing and malfunctioning in so many ways I would have to write a small book to list them all. I cannot function, I cannot take care of myself, most of the time I can barely read, I can barely follow a tv show, I have not felt human touch in a decade, my life is comprised of (almost) nothing but illness and loss.

I became very interested in stoicism a few years into my injury. I wanted to believe that it was possible to live a eudaemonic life even though I had lost so much. I was passionate about the philosophy and tried to incorporate it as a worldview, every time I found myself feeling sorry for myself or pining for the things I lost and the things of which I was deprived I would stop myself and attempt to focus on virtue. For a while this helped, my outlook on life improved somewhat. But eventually I realized I wasn’t a stoic at all! I was tricking myself! I was focused on virtue for instrumental reasons, not because I truly believed it had intrinsic value. Part of me thought that maybe if I changed my attitude, that I would be able to heal, maybe my health would return, maybe I would be able to work again, to date girls again! However, this was not to be, the illness remained, the pain remained, and it soon became clear that virtue is small comfort to a man starving to death.

I think stoicism would be a great philosophy for most peoples However I think the more a person needs it, the less possible it is to actually practice it. I prefer Aristotle’s conceptualization of virtue ethics, as he accepts that people have fundamental needs to be met before virtue is actually possible.

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medsmthng OP t1_jaakrxv wrote

I think you would like some of Schopenhauer's work... said to be painted with something I could, borrowing, call "cheerful" pessimism...

Also, disagreeing with a saying of a stoic doesn't mean the philosophy in general is wrong...

and I don't they promise you'll live a eudaemonic life... instead, I believe they advise one to be "cautious" and to lower their expectations and expect the worst, as not to be so shocked, when the bad things happen... but also, it's not like they encourage inactivity! No, they encourage one to do what he can, what he can control, and to not postpone things, and to have the courage to do what you should do, so as to live life not burdened by the consequences of the opposite of that...

and, Man, from what you mentioned, I couldn't but say, like they say, I feel for you! and for the people who commented... I hope you the best!

and also for who wouldn't read the books I suggested, It gives me the feeling that made me write the post! When people reject what would help them!

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Pipe-International t1_jabqldp wrote

Wow.

Your comments read really ableist, privileged and insensitive.

You don’t know what people need to help them.

Suggesting someone with severe disabilities a book that is basically ‘just get over it and be happy - you actually haven’t lost anything’ is rude and entitled.

Books are no guarantee of fixing anything.

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medsmthng OP t1_jacvvay wrote

Using labels! and false ones at that! Do you know how many labels apply to what you said...

Learn and try to address ideas as they are, with sound reasoning. Which seems you're failing to do here... Not just you!

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Pipe-International t1_jaepyan wrote

Is there a book out there about how not to be rude and elitist? If there is, I recommend it to you.

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