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Sphinx-Lynx t1_ja4x3pc wrote
You might try Noam chomsky
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Dan_Felder t1_ja4x7ns wrote
If you’re looking for something to confirm your pre-existing beliefs and tell you they’re correct, you’ll find no shortage of people willing to take your money to provide this service.
You shouldn’t be looking for books on the importance of tradition for example, that’s just a conclusion in search of an argument.
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domin8er221 t1_ja4ynq6 wrote
It's important to acknowledge that we all have pre-existing beliefs and bias. Understanding this useful to all areas of study
Dan_Felder t1_ja52fy8 wrote
Okay, I'll break it down for you.
Most of the modern Peterson-style "discourse" exists to provide a pseudo-intellectual justification for the feelings his audience already has.
Many people grew up doing a lot of messed up stuff without thinking about it, because everyone around them was doing it too. It just seemed normal at the time.
Now the same behavior they've done is being called out and this makes them feel bad. They don't like feeling bad, so they pay someone to tell them they aren't actually bad - they want to hear that they're good people and the people calling out similar behavior are just oversensitive kids and "wokes" that are overreacting to harmless workplace banter.
This is why you absolutely have pre-existing beliefs due to the culture you grew up in. Everyone does. Many of the kids that threw rocks at black children attending the first integrated schools are still alive today. Their kids don't want to think of their parents as bad guys either (hence why so many parents are trying to stop schools from teaching about the history of racism - because it makes thanksgiving uncomfortable when grandpa was one of the people that threw the rocks).
Our brains are extremely prone to cognitive biases based on a number of factors, especially how we're presented information. It's just science. Good books on that topic are "The Undoing Project" and "Predictably Irrational".
The former is an engaging read about how our brains can make flawed judgments in even seemingly simple, objective situations (like judging how well basketball players perform in a team tryout) and how two unlikely geniuses spawned a rethinking of basically every industry.
The second is an example of various studies that showed how even highly intelligent humans reliably make irrational decisions due to various cognitive biases.
For example, people exposed to a $4 price first for a new type of luxury candy bar tend to think it's worth $4, and balk when asked if they'd pay $5. People exposed to the $5 price first tend to think it's worth $5 instead. This is how impactful a small difference in how you're introduced to the world can affect your perceptions of even something that should be simple.
How you've grown up to this point will massively impact your perceptions on many, many things.
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bygollyollie t1_ja4y09d wrote
What kind of politics are you interested in learning about? And what country?
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bygollyollie t1_ja5155v wrote
Woof. I personally wouldn’t start with those two. If you’re new to the world of politics, I suggest What You Should Know About Politics…But Don’t: a Nonpartisan Guide to the Issues by Jessamyn Conrad. Great overview of the major issues in America (elections, the economy, the environment, the military, healthcare, civil liberties, education) and then discusses the perspectives of the political parties on the issues and what policies America has passed on these issues during prior presidencies.
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Guy_montag47 t1_ja4xvqo wrote
Dostoyevski. That’s basically the point of his whole body of work, how to deal with the anxiety that erupts from an atheistic rationalization of the world. Peterson and his ilk commonly reference Dostoyevski as an influence, but if you read say, Crime And Punishment, you’ll see D would not have vibed w most of their conclusions.
Instead he really means to help the misguided fledgling intellectual type. "Hamlet’s” who are caught up in their heads way more than is good for them.
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Guy_montag47 t1_ja5338y wrote
? I don’t like Peterson or his conclusions. But I agree that the questions he is asking are important. I think that’s giving him more credit than you’re going to find from most in this thread.
Also, throwing my intelligence out there ?? OP asked for advice on writers who approach similiar themes as peterson etc. I gave him one and the reasons why. That should be the point of this thread.
CrazyCatLady108 t1_ja5ih3f wrote
Personal conduct
Please use a civil tone and assume good faith when entering a conversation.
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