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sisharil t1_jdhy4ff wrote

Reply to comment by InvisibleSpaceVamp in There is no logical reason to exclude people of different races in a fictional universe that features dragons and magic by ToeNo5165

In such a setting there shouldn't be any white people, as pale skin didn't develop until fairly recently.

Lol, why is this getting downvoted? If you are so concerned with realism and logic, you have to understand that the only setting where people haven't traveled far enough away from one another for long enough to develop different racial attributes is one where white people have never come into existence.

People down voting this are REALLY not helping their case that they totally aren't racists for hating diversity in books.

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InvisibleSpaceVamp t1_jdilap5 wrote

>In such a setting there shouldn't be any white people, as pale skin didn't develop until fairly recently.

You are talking about earth, the real world. In a fictional world, it could work the other way round as well. Light skinned races becoming darker over time if they migrate to a sunnier part of their planet.

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sisharil t1_jdiot0p wrote

And then what's the explanation of how humanity came to be in the first place?

Any worldbuilding that suggests white people were the originals and everyone else came later is both completely inaccurate to how humanity actually evolved, and uncomfortably in line with deeply racist thinking from the 19th century to explain the different human phenotypes.

If you want to us "oooh just evolution!!" as an explanation then actually follow it. Darker skin is the default setting for humans.

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InvisibleSpaceVamp t1_jdiuw65 wrote

We are talking about FANTASY here, not earth's humanity. Is this so hard to understand?

I would like to see some scientific evidence for your claims though. Why is Africa the only place where the human race could have developed? Why couldn't this have happened in another place? And if we knew the perfect conditions for the human race to develop (spoiler - we don't), why is it not possible for these conditions to be found in a darker and colder part on our FANTASY planet?

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sisharil t1_jdjy8yq wrote

You know it's kind of a little fucked up to treat "a world with only white people" as an acceptable fantasy and concept to promote as totally normal. Right?

Also. Humans are a type of great ape, and great apes evolved in Africa. There are no naturally occurring great apes in the low-sun temperate climates where pale skin developed in humans.

If your goal was to prove people complaining about diversity aren't racist assholes, you are really not helping get that across at all.

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InvisibleSpaceVamp t1_jdjzdl3 wrote

You know it's kind of a little fucked up that you are not able to separate FANTASY and reality. Right?

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sisharil t1_jdjzqvm wrote

Dude. What part of "in this fantasy world black people just don't exist because that's my personal fantasy vision" is NOT fucking racist?

Don't get me wrong. I don't think there's anything wrong with a story set in a place where there happen to only be white people. In an isolated village or whatever that makes perfect sense. But there's a difference between "in this setting, these characters have no reason to come into contact with people from other ethnic backgrounds that aren't what we would see as white" and "actually only white people exist in this world because white is the default normal for humanity"

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Character_Vapor t1_jdlia3t wrote

You selecting a default for a fantasy world still has its own implications about your point of view. You get that, right? It doesn’t matter that it’s not the real world, what you choose as the baseline for your own made-up world reflects something about its creator, whether you want it to or not.

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