notenoughcharact t1_j1kafy3 wrote
Reply to comment by RobleViejo in This is an excerpt from Cixin Liu's book "The Dark Forest", describing what happens to people when they lose all hope in Humanity by RobleViejo
I’m assuming you’re fairly young. I think a historical perspective on these issues is really important. If you read environmental writings from the 60s, there was a ton of fear about all sorts of issues that never came to pass, or trends that have reversed. For example air quality in most of the US is infinitely better than it was thanks to technological progress with car emissions, and that’s despite the fact that we have way more cars on the road than we did back then. Water the clean water act had had a dramatic impact on improving water quality. There were real fears that massive populations would die of starvation from famines. In face globally food security has never been better despite the increased population. Population projections are expected to level off around 10 billion and then start declining, so some of the other doomsday scenarios aren’t going to come to pass. Now obviously global warming and a mass extinction are extremely problematic and worrying, but there are solutions to both that we can work towards. Just in the last few years I’ve seen a ton of native habitat restoration in my community for example.
funkinthetrunk t1_j1ltgwc wrote
This comment is delusional... The things needed to beat back climate change are all past their effectiveness window. What's needed became increasingly drastic, such that nothing will ever be done. I'm talking about things like re-designing cities and towns, de-emphasizing cars, and personalized transportation in general, finding alternatives to plastics, changing our agriculture and food distribution networks... We could have made some easy decisions decades ago and be seeing them come to fruition now. Instead, cans were kicked to preserve profitability and all these economic systems and incentives became even more deeply entrenched. Making the necessary changes is now going to be unacceptable to many people, especially the capitalist class.
We aren't talking about making factories pollute less. We are talking about dismantling and/or wholly transforming entire industries against the will of those who control them.
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