Which is why I didn’t use the term straight or gay in either of my comments. The reason I responded to the initial comment was because I think that people often say this because it deletes male/male compassion from the equation, which I think straight American men are really more uncomfortable with than the sexual aspect. I’m not saying that two Spartans bustin’ a nut together makes them gay, like you said the term doesn’t apply to those people. But it does paint a different picture of how homosexual activity fit into there life and culture. The main thing I’m trying to get at is there consistent and significant incongruities in every cultures values around sex and how people actually behave, and a general impulse to “prudify” the past. I’m not saying this applies to you, you clearly know your history, but I feel the need to correct the record when people imply that Greek and Roman homosexual activities were compassion-less expressions of power. It’s not accurate, and people sometimes use it to claim that modern homosexual activity is somehow new.