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coastAL_- t1_itqs2sm wrote

Opening Day at Fenway, Marathon Monday, championship parades down Boylston, fuzzy nights at Hong Kong, the Pit, nachos and questionably flakey beer at Sunset, general debauchery at Model Cafe, walking along Memorial during HOCR, Keytar Bear, the sweet acerb stench of piss and noodles in Chinatown alleys, alternating graffiti along the commuter tracks on the Pike, running the Longfellow-Mass Ave loop on the esplanade, iced coffee in the dead of winter, kayaking on the Charles, Allston Christmas, Winter Classic, the Beanpot, never spending time in Southie, day trips to Thompson Island, the Provincetown ferry, strolling through Quincy Market during a snow storm, petting stingrays at the Aquarium, community events in Grove Hall, driving like an asshole, hating on New Hampshire, a cheeky little spliff sitting at the Soliders and Sailors monument, Yankees Suck bumper stickers, the Green Line and all of its trials, and that soft serve truck that parks in Copley sometimes.

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harriedhag t1_itqwj8n wrote

That’s a good list. Something I’ve been thinking about it is, how much could I get in with even just 2 visits a year?

Spring/summer could be a game at Fenway, and fall/winter could be marathon/HOCR or Christmas time. Each trip would have its share of nostalgic bars/food.

Definitely not the same as everyday living but it is something I’m thinking about.

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jkjeeper06 t1_itqsjpt wrote

I miss having our favorite bars/restaurants just down the street from me. Now I have to drive/Uber but I am much happier in my current situation

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harriedhag t1_itqwy3l wrote

I will miss that too.

Why are you happier? And where?

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jkjeeper06 t1_itspzx5 wrote

I live in the burbs outside of boston. My biggest hobbies are working on cars and other motorized toys so I was never able to do that in my apartment. Moving to the burbs meant I could buy a house with a garage and driveway, i could buy a project car and other toys and have a full shop in my garage. I am always busy, active, and healthy in a way I wasn't before

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namelesswndr t1_itssdkr wrote

Dude that barely counts as moving.

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jkjeeper06 t1_itszo0k wrote

Distance-wise, its not that far, maybe 15mi but it is a fairly significant change in lifestyle to go from a downtown apartment complex to a suburban single family neighborhood

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harriedhag t1_itt07fm wrote

Yeah that makes a lot of sense to me. On paper, it’s easy for me to imagine buying a car and living that lifestyle again. But I think it will be a bigger lifestyle change than I’m prepared for.

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BradMarchandstongue t1_itr41q2 wrote

Moved to NYC for my girlfriend. I miss all of my friends and, as someone who works in biotech, the seemingly never-ending job opportunities. Sometimes, I really want to move back but I feel like I’ve committed and it’s too late now

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cetaceanrainbow t1_itr5spr wrote

what have you ended up doing for biotech jobs? are they just more rare?

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BluestreakBTHR t1_itqp2n4 wrote

I used to miss living in the middle of everything… but after 6 years of living out here - I don’t miss traffic, the noise, the asshole neighbors living upstairs, the noise, being able to help my next door neighbors do the dishes by reaching though my kitchen window, lack of parking…

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harriedhag t1_itqwvun wrote

That’s interesting. I think that will be my biggest thing. Not being immersed in a variety of great shops and food within a 10min walk, and nearly the entire city within 30min T rides, and just about damn everything within an hour. I am lucky with where I specifically live being on a quiet street and in a dense neighborhood on the T.

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lwronhubbard t1_itrcsnu wrote

If you want a nice city, but cheaper, check out Chicago. The winters will be more brutal however. Food is a ton better though.

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harriedhag t1_itt0z4e wrote

I’ve never been. It’s not in the cards right now, but I have had a mental note with that in mind.

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lwronhubbard t1_itv86z5 wrote

Depending on your schedule/planning ahead you can get some dirt cheap flights to Chicago from Boston, would highly recommend it.

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SLUer12 t1_itqrbdd wrote

Nothing.

I moved to Seattle which is arguably not cheaper but my quality of life has improved significantly. Seattle is a more manageable city in terms of either public transit or driving as parking is plentiful (Amazon has free parking for the masses in their garages everywhere across the city). The nature and hiking in the PNW is way more beautiful. The urban amenities are just as good. There is much less overt racism in Seattle than Boston. That shit takes a toll on you when you’re not white and living in Boston. There are downsides here too but it’s not nearly enough for me to even think about missing Boston.

Boston is a great city if you’re white and with a small trust fund. Seattle is great for when you’ve got a funny last name and nothing but your skills and you’re trying to make boatloads of money and establish your career.

Once you leave Boston you realize that cities much smaller and less prestigious than it can have the same amenities and better quality of life.

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jeufie t1_itqyy7m wrote

>Once you leave Boston you realize that cities much smaller

Seattle is larger than Boston and has more people.

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Victor_Korchnoi t1_itrl1e4 wrote

The Seattle metro has 4.0 million people. Greater Boston has 4.9 million people.

For the sake of talking about the size of cities, these are much more relevant numbers than how large the municipalities are. It doesn’t really matter that Cambridge, Somerville, Chelsea, Brookline, and Everett are not technically part of Boston when thinking about how big the city feels.

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SLUer12 t1_itusp1m wrote

Seattle has almost twice the land area as Boston with just slightly larger population. The Seattle metro area is a million people smaller than Boston.

By your logic San Diego or Austin is a bigger city than Boston.

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RhaenyrasUncle t1_itqul7k wrote

Seattles a great city, just needs better leadership to clean up the homelessness and drug abuse.

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loonarknight t1_itqu6zz wrote

If you don't mind, as someone looking into moving from Boston to Seattle, what are some of the downsides you found? Slightly warmer winters and slightly cooler summers, on average, are kind of selling me on the move on it's own, haha

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velvetmagnus t1_itsrrb0 wrote

I lived in Seattle for 8 years and have lived in Boston for the last 5. Overall, I enjoyed my time there. I met some wonderful people, including my husband, and had some of the best times of my life. But we bought in Boston because we like it better.

Some of the main reasons we left:

-The weather wears on you. It's 45 and drizzling for 7-8 months of the year. Its miserable not seeing the sun. Our first year here, my husband commented on how much happier he is even though it's a bit colder. Summers are perfect: 75-80 with no humidity. Except the one month where the air quality is so atrocious thanks to the wildfires that they tell everyone to stay inside and it hurts to breathe after a while.

-I found it hard to make friends even though I went to college there. People here are more straightforward and it's easier to know where you stand. I like to joke that "We should hang out sometime" is Seattle's unofficial motto and bailing on plans the unofficial past time. They get angry at you when you say this, but I found the Seattle Freeze to be real.

-Transit is a joke. Yes, worst than Boston. It's also such a large city land-wise that bussing from one part to another can take hours and hours and multiple transfers. They're extending the light rail, but it won't be finished by 2040. You'll be driving a bunch if you want to explore the city. Traffic is bad and parking is annoying.

-It's just not as close to things as Boston is. You got Vancouver and Portland. CA and Vegas are a short flight. It's closer to Asia, but that's still a long flight. Boston has all of New England within driving distance. NYC is also close. DC, Toronto, Montreal, Quebec, Philly, are all short flights. Europe is closer to Boston than Asia to Seattle and the flights are cheaper too.

-Homelessness and addiction is a real issue. I don't know the solution. More public services and better mental healthcare probably. But I know that I've been spit on, screamed at, followed, groped, someone pet my hair once, one time a man almost peed on me, and my husband was pricked by a used needle stuck between two bus seats. Mass and Cass is standard in multiple places throughout the city.

-Property crime is also ridiculous in Seattle. Nearly everyone I know who had a car had it broken into at one point (me included). Half the people I know who had bikes had theirs stolen (me included). I had so many packages stolen. People regularly prowled our parking lot and garage. Cops didn't care even if you called while the person was there. Speaking of cops, SPD had more cops at Jan 6 than any other PD in the country.

That being said, I met some of my best friends, had some of the best nights, and ate some of the best food in Seattle. Some people absolutely love it there and you might too. It's similar to Boston in a lot of ways and does some things better than Boston.

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SLUer12 t1_itus7e8 wrote

All true except schools in Seattle are still largely functional compared to Boston. It was much harder to raise a family in Boston and before we left Seattle we had moved to a Boston collar suburb because BPS was just so terrible. This means a lot of the benefits of Boston aren’t quite as applicable and accessible anymore if you have kids but can’t afford private school. In Seattle we are still able to raise three kids in the city proper. So pound for pound the amenities available to us are much greater.

You will also notice there are well maintained playgrounds everywhere across Seattle with actual kids in them. In Boston, many of these playgrounds are empty. Overall I feel the city is more family friendly.

I also don’t agree on the public transportation either. Seattle has a phenomenal bus system, way better than Boston’s and it goes everywhere including sleepy single family home neighborhoods past midnight at 15 min frequency. There are also dedicated bus lanes everywhere. The rail system is small but it is growing and really I get around faster on the bus in Seattle than I did on the green line in Boston, and most lines now with the state of MBTA. We are 15 min bus ride from science museum, pike place, zoo, three or four farmers markets, concert venues and several large parks.

Vancouver is a phenomenal city too and it’s just 2.5 hrs away. We go often for events and festivals. NYC is much farther away for Boston and not a great drive.

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AdmirableEffort1764 t1_itrm5bt wrote

I also moved from Boston to Seattle. People in Seattle are not very friendly and very passive aggressive but I’ve been lucky to find some great friends here. I miss the direct nature of the east coast. The accessibility to nature is pretty great. The pizza is garbage for the most part.

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Stronkowski t1_itqyzll wrote

I've had to spend a lot of travel time there for work, including multiple weeks at once.

I find it more boring and soulless. The food is very mediocre. Public transit is worse, and I feel much more forced to drive than I do around Boston. Lots of car parking is a bad thing. The weather is hardly ever "good", it just avoids most "bad".

I disagree that western hiking is better; the views during it certainly are, but the hikes themselves favor switchbacks far too much. They're just too easy.

Also nothing has AC. That's fine for the majority of the year, but it means when there is that one week heatwave you can't even comfortably sit in a brewery.

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BobDurham1 t1_itr87ra wrote

Mount Rainier is one of if not the most challenging mountain in continental NA. There are many things you can say about PNW but you can’t say it doesn’t have some of the best hiking in the United States

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tacknosaddle t1_itr25ie wrote

>the hikes themselves favor switchbacks far too much. They're just too easy.

A friend who has hiked/camped extensively said something similar. Trails in the east like the AT or Long Trail in VT tend to just scramble straight up and over things while out west you'll do a lot more elevation gain, but the switchbacks mean that you're almost never on a steep incline for long.

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AlcoholicZebra54 t1_itsqesw wrote

The Summer is absolutely gorgeous, way better than the East Coast. The Winter on the other hand is terrible for anyone that likes the sun. The hiking and outdoors stuff is incredible. Plenty of stuff has AC. Your other points are valid.

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SLUer12 t1_ituwr8i wrote

What are you talking about? The weather in the summer is insanely good. Also the views are what makes a hike a hike. Otherwise you can go hike on your treadmill at that steep incline you want.

And all the breweries I’ve been in Seattle have air conditioning.

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Stronkowski t1_itv5g6k wrote

No, the views are a small part of it. Otherwise you should just drive up a mountain road and take a photo instead of hiking it. A good hike is supposed to be tiring.

And not a single brewery I've been to in the area has had air conditioning. This doesn't matter for 99% of the year, but when you get a week like happened at the end of this past July every sucks because the city hvac is built assuming that's not going to happen since it's almost always 70 degrees instead.

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SLUer12 t1_itwr2z5 wrote

Maybe I’m just in less shape than you. But plenty of tough trails out here on the west. It’s comical actually that you think the Boston area within a 3 hour drive have anything remotely close to the kind of hikes you can get in Seattle with Mount Rainier, Mount Baker in the vicinity.

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Stronkowski t1_itwwjfm wrote

You probably are, as I've done multiple hikes in the hundreds of miles distance (one of which was even out there in the Rockies). If you were a more experienced hiker than I am I doubt you'd have mentioned that possibility.

I've yet to do Rainier, but if it's actually got any grade or technicality it'll be the first for me out of hundreds of miles worth of trail out there. Being high elevation doesn't make a hike difficult, and switchbacks are boring AF. They're the treadmills of hiking.

Meanwhile, yes the Green and White Mountains have been tougher than anything I've found out west yet. Going straight up rocky terrain instead of winding around on a horse graded trail is a huge difference.

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SLUer12 t1_itur6gd wrote

The biggest downside is the homeless situation. Boston shuffles all its homeless and drug addicts to one corner of the city so it is out of sight and out of mind for much of the rest of the city. In Seattle this population is more spread out. Also anti-camping laws are illegal across the West Coast due to a federal court ruling that applies to the western states.

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felicityshaircut t1_itrxae2 wrote

If apt pricing is comparable there, are the apts at least in better shape? I live in a triple decker that smells like pee when it’s humid and there’s no insulation in the roof and zero heat in the kitchen. I feel like sure, charge me for living in a HCOL city but at least maintain the damned bldg to make it more worthwhile!

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SLUer12 t1_itup1ct wrote

They are mostly new. Seattle builds apartments like crazy across the city. Rent is also cheaper than Boston.

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harriedhag t1_itqx806 wrote

Thanks for the POV. Do you have family/friends on the west coast? That’s been a geographical barrier for me, everyone I know is in the east.

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AlcoholicZebra54 t1_itslupy wrote

I lived in both and recently left Seattle. Lots to love but downtown and Cap Hill have turned into cesspools since Covid. Was sad to see visiting last month. The city politics in Seattle are completely fucked.

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SLUer12 t1_itwtd6d wrote

Lots of nice neighborhoods outside of downtown and Cap Hill. I don’t judge Boston based on Downtown Crossing and Allston-Brighton either.

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AlcoholicZebra54 t1_itwyova wrote

Seattle has a homeless and drug problem throughout the urban areas of city, far worse than Boston. To sweep that under the rug is not painting a fair picture.

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SLUer12 t1_itwzuoh wrote

I didn’t sweep it under the rug. Someone above asked me what was the negative and I said homeless and drug addiction was the negative. Boston does a great job shoving all its homeless and addicts to one corner of the city. But you’re completely kidding yourself if you think Boston doesn’t have a massive problem as well. It’s just they do a better job with out of sight, out of mind. The overdose rates tell a different story though. I used to volunteer for that community in the South End and Mel Cass and know first hand.

Not all Seattle neighborhoods are afflicted either. I don’t have homeless and drug addicts in my neighborhood. It’s pretty nice. You do you though. It’s great this country allows us many options. And Seattle has a more moderate mayor than Boston right now.

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AlcoholicZebra54 t1_itxbqu0 wrote

Lots of nice neighborhoods for sure. SLU (going by your username) wouldn’t be on my list though. It’s gotten way nicer but it’s really just a glorified Amazon campus with no soul. This is coming from someone who worked there for multiple years.

And for context I lived in what was the CHOP zone during Covid and had to experience ridiculous inaction by the city leaders that put me in danger every day when they pulled the police. That would never ever happen in Boston.

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SLUer12 t1_ity0p8d wrote

I live in upper QA now. It’s nice. Schools are decent and there’s a nice community. Everything is walkable and the urban core including SLU is close by. It’s like living in Newton except Newton is in Back Bay. The views are killer too. The waterfront and sculpture park is also walking distance.

Used to live in SLU while I was house hunting. I like SLU though, lots of rooftop bars. A little soulless but for a modern development, it’s not bad. I like it better than Seaport, Kendall and the developments in DC. It was way cheaper to rent in SLU than those places too. There’s a lot more biotech and lab diversification going on in SLU now, which is good for the neighborhood to grow out of Amazon.

Boston isn’t bad but for the things I enjoy and do, Seattle has all of them plus better hiking and outdoors. I don’t worry about Lyme with the kids and there’s just a lot more stuff to do outside with the kids than sitting on a beach or going skiing. To each their own.

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free_to_muse t1_itt87qz wrote

What are examples of “overt racism” I’m curious

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redcolumbine t1_itsf25j wrote

My friends. That said, Lowell where I live now is a great place to live and worth checking out! However, the rent's skyrocketing so fast that I'm just getting out of Massachusetts entirely next year. It's too bad, but there are a LOT of us making the exodus.

Have a look at Lowell. It's a fun college town, an undiscovered foodie haven, and great for history/architecture buffs.

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triipingonme t1_itx1ise wrote

Shhh don't tell them, rent is high enough as it is. On a serious note I moved into a place in dracut about half a mile from the town line and the rent price was much lower. Worth taking a look

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redcolumbine t1_itx3ozd wrote

I do like Dracut! It's a whole lot easier to park there, for starters. All the construction here is driving me crazy.

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jdmorris1124 t1_itrb3mr wrote

The Fall and Spring. The seafood. Real pizza. Live in the south now and the cost of living is amazing esp since I still make a NE salary.

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RhaenyrasUncle t1_itqogop wrote

Having left before and returned...it would be the humility for me. We're a humble lot. For better or worse.

We could stand to enjoy our lives a bit more.

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namelesswndr t1_itssc9s wrote

I moved to central CA and then Iowa for husband's job. In CA, I missed distinct seasons, but being able to swim all year round was rad. CoL was similar to Boston suburbs at the time. In Iowa, everything sucked except cost of living. We rented a newly renovated apartment, 3br for $1k/mo. I missed my friends and family and diversity of food offerings. Also missed having things relatively close. You could drive for the same amount of time as in Boston and pass zero decent food joints. Also there was nothing to do in Iowa except drink and listen to drug addicts & racists.

The only reason why any of this worked out is because I worked remotely and still had Boston salary the whole time. Rent went up by $600 in the 4 years that we were gone and that's been a bit rough to adjust back to. But I wouldn't trade proximity to friends and family again.

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All_The_Nolloway t1_itsul8w wrote

I live in Dallas. It sucks here, the COL is cheapish but it's rising. There's not much to do here, everything is driving. As a baseball fan.. this place is simply tragic drive to the warehouse to watch and then drive home from the warehouse. There's basically no life here.

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harriedhag t1_itt9sn7 wrote

My reply to you went to the main thread by accident. But I definitely hear that. I am not jazzed about becoming car dependent.

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jp112078 t1_itsjua9 wrote

The beauty of autumn…and roast beef sandwiches that no one outside of eastern mass understands.

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[deleted] OP t1_ittfzla wrote

Honestly, Buffalo has really good roast beef sandwiches highly recommend getting a beef on weck

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222KFT t1_itspzr3 wrote

Moved to suburbs

What I miss about Boston (other than my long-lost youth): living in and just the vibe of the North End; riding Hubway bikes; Celtics games on a whim; fireworks shows; tennis by the Charlestown bridge; skating at Steriti rink; walking the Common; Haymarket. And much more

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harriedhag t1_itt1mu7 wrote

I think the driving will wear on me. It seems so silly and like a logistical even trade (T vs car), but it does have daily impact.

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EMF15Q t1_itt8sun wrote

I mentioned this in a post the other day, and I only moved 20 miles out of Boston, but the reliance on my car is frustrating. I’m not even in the middle of nowhere like Franklin County, but in the suburbs you still need a car for every little trip or errand.

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harriedhag t1_itt9nsr wrote

Definitely. I’m sure some things will be better… but tbh I haven’t thought of a single one since I already do car rentals when I need/want to. For me, when I move I’ll be spending about $250/mo more on a car than I do now on rentals/T/Uber. While completely losing walking and public transit perks.

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EMF15Q t1_ittcg2h wrote

I don’t think people in the suburbs or country realize how much walking in the city people do. You’re much healthier without even realizing it. Walking in the suburbs is weird because it’s so car centric. The town I live in has a commuter rail stop, so that’s something. $10 weekend passes are definitely a plus.

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harriedhag t1_ittdn9g wrote

Yeah, I was checking out some specific condos. Had to use Google street view to “walk” and see that… nope, this sidewalk ends for no reason and you can’t actually walk to the plaza that’s .6mi away because it’s a 4 lane road with no shoulder. 😤

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els1988 t1_itryna4 wrote

I miss being close to VT for skiing and visiting my family, but that's about it. I am still close enough flying from Chicago and the COL is so much cheaper out here. Even though Boston is on the ocean, I never actually lived close to it, whereas in Chicago I live three blocks from Lake Michigan and it is awesome!

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__init__dive t1_itt4uwt wrote

Most things that didn't involve money or winter. Walking down the street to get coffee or, go to the bakery or go to the bar are at the top of the list.

Moved to raleigh-durham. I pay less for an apartment that's nearly twice as large, much newer/nicer, has A/C, easy parking, in unit washer/dryer and costs a few hundred less.

General COL is noticeably lower especially since I kept my Boston salary and recently got a raise.

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ObviousAd22 t1_ittkknk wrote

I am eyeing moving TO Boston because I am so sick of the southern, ultra-religious "Bless your heart" culture here. At this point it is almost worth the increase cost of living, especially because I am getting a new job with a higher pay.

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Namgodtoh t1_ituerey wrote

I'm sure you're aware but cost of living is probably double...it's not just higher, it's cripplingly expensive and it's all housing so it's hard to avoid.

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__init__dive t1_itvi025 wrote

That is up to you - it is a pretty cool place. I'm happier and much less stressed living in NC. My hour-to-hour, day-to-day life is much easier. There are perhaps fewer things to do and weekends are maybe less fun though. That's sort of the trade-off I have felt.

I also have not really interacted with any "ultra-religious" people in RDU...maybe just a little religious? People have been generally kinder and less...intense.

Just beware the grass isn't always greener.

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ObviousAd22 t1_itw6k7i wrote

I am aware that the grass is not greener but my grass is pretty freaking brown down here. My experience is that people either love it or hate it in North Carolina and I am one of those that dislike it and that is okay. Also I like people that are kind and not nice but down here people are just nice but not kind and people are slower here which is not my pace.

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harriedhag t1_itt5n76 wrote

I have my sights set on finding somewhere that at least something is walkable. Like, yeah it’s probably one coffee shop and one restaurant and maybe one shop if I’m lucky. Won’t compare to the density of options I have here. But having some kind of little plaza to walk to would be a big leg up from none.

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__init__dive t1_itvidc0 wrote

That is definitely tougher here. If I lived in a 1br in a complex in downtown Raleigh that's definitely doable. I just chose to live a little further out for a better/bigger place.

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CooGuyGeorge t1_itsuj1y wrote

Walking to the grocery store and biking to the gym.

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harriedhag t1_itt0p0q wrote

I think this will be harder on me than I initially thought. I was making a list of all the things I like about my lifestyle here, as a starting point on how to build a new life somewhere else. I noticed so many of my things were centered around walking.

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mintjulep1012 t1_itubie3 wrote

I live in the south now after growing up in Mass. and living in Boston for many years. I miss the people and how real most people are (or seem to be). Everyone has a much better sense of humor and you can cut through the BS. Down here you have to tip toe around subjects and spend more time putting on airs. Oh, I miss the seafood and Mary Lou’s coffee, too.

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art_hoe1 t1_itutmeh wrote

I’m from the south too and moved here for college and I know exactly what you mean. People are nice surface level sure, but so many topics are hush-hush (especially with older generation). Having to drive a lot sucks too.

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I87 t1_itv04i1 wrote

my friends. the size of the city. nyc is too big. my family. being able to drive out of the city. my friends. my rent. i pay 2x as much in nyc even in subsidized housing. for the love of god my friends lol.

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Live_for_flipflops t1_itxbt1n wrote

I live outside of Philadelphia and I've been here for a long time, but was born and raised on the South Shore... I miss "home" and can't remember a time when I haven't! The cost of living is better here, much more affordable. My similar job in MA would pay about $10k more but my housing costs would more than double (comparing rents).

I don't even know I could describe what I miss most, maybe fried dough peaceful meadows and papa Gino's 🤣 There is just a feeling I get when I visit. And the Boston skyline can't be beat!

Edit to add... I miss the beach being close enough that we could just pop over after work for a walk!

Edited again to fix spelling!

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pinko-perchik t1_ittniy8 wrote

Moved to NW MA. I really miss my friends, and having so many great restaurants with such diversity of cuisines, and there are a lot more jobs available back there. Also there are way fewer people who think the election was stolen, or who flaunt campaign signs for aspiring politicians who want to ban LGBT people from all public life. Well, except when they hold an event they choose Boston, and then they come crawling out of the woodwork.

But there are a lot of upsides, too. I left just before the turning point wherein the MBTA went from bad to un-fucking-acceptable. There’s no traffic here unless there’s a big accident. Parking is cheap and no big deal. Rent is cheapER. There’s lots of cool antique ephemera shops that could never stay afloat in Boston.

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mikemushman t1_itu25vb wrote

My friends. Sorry I know thats not what you were looking for.

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