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Yak_Rodeo t1_itrfsvj wrote

vaccine mandates were well intentioned but an utter failure. new york is going to have to reinstate a bunch of people who were fired and back pay them from the date of firing, a huge pay day.

im far from an anti vaxer but the scientific evidence wasnt there to justify firing people

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Yak_Rodeo t1_itrkkn2 wrote

yeah its too bad people dont want to have a legitimate conversation on it, im fully vaxxed with a booster and encourage everyone to get it but the complete disregard for workers rights was always such a shaky decision

this place is super pro union but blasted the firefighters union for being anti mandate

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nottoodrunk t1_ituqm58 wrote

I got downvoted to hell for pointing out that allowing the city to unilaterally rip up a CBA between itself and the union was an absolutely terrible precedent, no matter how much “greater good” it would be for. No one wanted to hear that the unions bargain on behalf of their members and no one else, which is why concerned citizens don’t have a seat at the table.

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Academic_Guava_4190 t1_its68by wrote

I think it was a sense of fear and lack of knowledge. Everyone was desperate to get to zero Covid. We now know that isn’t possible even in China where they have been brutal about their restrictions. What so far as been discovered is that the vaccine helped alleviate symptoms and help keep people out of the hospital system while doctors and medical personnel learned how best to treat it, but that was hard to foresee because we were in the middle of a worldwide experiment. Now we can say well if you don’t want the vaccine that’s on you, good luck, and stay the fuck away from the rest of us.

I think what they needed to implement far more than a vaccine mandate was an increase of paid sick time in every industry but places are so afraid of that minority of people who will take advantage.

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fadetoblack237 t1_itsmnw5 wrote

>I think what they needed to implement far more than a vaccine mandate was an increase of paid sick time in every industry but places are so afraid of that minority of people who will take advantage.

You hit the nail on the head right here. My office just sent out a memo saying that you can be penalized for going over your 5 allotted sick days. Vaccinated employees are still coming in with symptoms and spreading it.

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Academic_Guava_4190 t1_itsonxc wrote

That’s awful. I’m sorry. Pure corporate greed. No one coming to work sick is being productive.

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Quincyperson t1_itsz5om wrote

And to add to it, the firefighters union wasn’t anti mandate. It’s that they had made a vax or test deal with Janey before she left office. Wu came in and ripped up the deal and made a unilateral change for the vax mandate. She then offered essentially the same deal to the cops and teachers that she broke with the FF’s.

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bondsman333 t1_itry3o1 wrote

Really easy to look back at this and realize how horribly mismanaged we were. A lot of things were done incorrectly, but not for wrong reasons. I believe that most of the mandates, mask enforcement, shutdowns were done in good faith.

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HoneydewOk1731 t1_its58su wrote

Good faith? Nah. There were plenty of people on this very subreddit taking great pleasure in unvaccinated health care workers losing their jobs. And those comments were upvoted by the hivemind

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WetLump OP t1_itskal5 wrote

look at some of these comments now

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pup5581 t1_itswybo wrote

Yup. People on here loved seeing those lose their jobs because this sub was so far left at the time. It was disgusting

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StaticMaine t1_itsvxfr wrote

The issue was that they were intended to get people to vaccinate to stop the spread.

While the vaccines are excellent at helping prevent serious illness and death, they werent as advertised with preventing spread.

That in mind, having a mandate then seems silly. It only made sense if the goal was to protect others. If they want to risk serious impacts of covid potentially, that’s on them. But a lot of things in life exist that are super dangerous but an individuals choice.

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techiemikey t1_itvtids wrote

What would you view as sufficient scientific evidence to justify firing people during a pandemic for not taking a vaccine?

This isn't a gotcha style question, I'm just curious what you line would be acceptable for you, so we could further discuss with that line in mind.

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TDKevin t1_itslxa1 wrote

I went on a cruise this summer and literally every line we looked into mandated a PCR, supervised covid test (vax mandatory) 48 hours prior to boarding. Either you were covid free at that point or you're lying. Either way your comment is useless

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zoomonayamaha t1_itstcje wrote

Nope, not how it is anymore. No testing and no need for proof of vaccination. Look it up yourself if you don’t believe me.

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TDKevin t1_ittidud wrote

Those requirements were changed literally barely over a week ago. The comment I was replying to was obviously referencing an earlier trip.

Keep stretching though. I'm sure you could use the exercise

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zoomonayamaha t1_itus5dm wrote

Ya and Covid is still spreading like wildfire, hence why I said the protocols aren’t based on science…. The global economy will crash if protocols were based on science. Just like how the CDC changed their quarantine day recommendation from 10 to 6… my wife was told to come back to work because she had no symptoms, but she was still testing positive and the 6 days had passed. Keep trying to insult me, it’s absolutely hilarious little dude.

The fact the cruise Covid protocols have been basically dropped while Covid still exists proves my point.

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RhaenyrasUncle t1_itr7l5p wrote

They see the writing on the wall.

A New York court just recently ruled that the layoffs of unvaccinated workers was abiitrary and capricious, given the lack of scientific evidence that vaccination prevents transmission of Coronavirus, and has hence ordered restitution and backpay.

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SkiingAway t1_itroos0 wrote

The judge in question was pretty much expected to rule this way, and it's pretty likely it'll be overturned on appeal.

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HoneydewOk1731 t1_its5hhe wrote

There’s almost zero basis for this ruling to be overturned

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Fifteen_inches t1_itseeyf wrote

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, Zucht v. King

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bog_witch t1_itv2dj7 wrote

There's a lot of people in this post with zero knowledge of basic public health law or policy, and it's a great illustration of how we got into our depressing COVID trajrexfory lol

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SkiingAway t1_itsbhzd wrote

There's plenty of basis for the ruling to be overturned, he's generally an outlier in terms of opinions.

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dasponge t1_itspusz wrote

Insofar as when you’re infected, sure. However, the original vaccine (and at the time of the mandate) reduced your chance of getting infected by 5x. So yeah, still indirectly reduces transmission.

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HoneydewOk1731 t1_itsgi9l wrote

Are we more concerned with the merit of the ruling or the popularity of the judge? Get a grip

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SkiingAway t1_ituo6up wrote

I don't see much merit in the ruling or proposed remedy.

The judge being frequently out of step with his colleagues is quite notable, as it's a bunch of his colleagues that will decide an appeal. If they all ruled pretty similarly, we could say it's unlikely for an appeal to succeed. If one guy is frequently way out of line with the views of others - it's much more likely for his decisions to get overturned on appeal.

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Jimmyking4ever t1_itvf8vx wrote

Woah you're telling me a conservative judge ruled against the city of New York????

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SausageMcFlurry t1_itsjkcw wrote

I feel like anytime someone uses the word "scientific" then you know some bullshit is going to come right after.

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dante662 t1_itrioso wrote

My my my, how the turn tables.

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Bmhayes11 t1_itugksw wrote

Better be some A1 head involved

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Roman_Boston t1_itx5n9p wrote

It’s about time we go back to normal. The politicians really screwed up the economy and people’s lives mandating a vaccine based on sparse data. Let people decide for themselves.

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stonedmason28 t1_itsrlrd wrote

Good! What happened in New York will be happening here. Hired back with backpay

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Dante1141 t1_itt6fq3 wrote

Anything to avoid actually paying good money for new labor.

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ReverseBanzai t1_itr0w88 wrote

Great if true.

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RTFA_RTFA t1_itrqhct wrote

Not great. It means a government agency is so desperate for workers that they're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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ReverseBanzai t1_itruqd8 wrote

I mean personally wouldn’t call former employees with work experience “bottom of the barrel” .

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RTFA_RTFA t1_itrv3ai wrote

Former employees who refuse to do their job are bottom of the barrel.

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illvm t1_itt6qjg wrote

Getting specific medical treatment isn’t “their job.”

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RTFA_RTFA t1_itv5kk0 wrote

It literally is. You have to follow certain rules in the workplace.

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illvm t1_itv71nj wrote

Show me in the job description where it says specific medical treatment is required.

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RTFA_RTFA t1_itxvaer wrote

The same place the job description says you can't use space heaters under your desk. The sample place it says you have to wear a helmet on a construction site. The same place it says you aren't allowed to let people tailgate into the building.

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illvm t1_ity63ph wrote

Uhhh.. the fire safety code?

Oh, right, you’re talking out of your ass. Carry on.

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Sgt_Beefy t1_ittzpc7 wrote

Spoken like a true dipshit corporate stooge, impressive.

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RTFA_RTFA t1_itycb5z wrote

You're brave for admitting to being unemployable.

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Sgt_Beefy t1_itycnky wrote

Going by your naive takes on what you consider "unemployable" that's not much of a concern.

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RTFA_RTFA t1_iu2yai6 wrote

If you can't follow ultra basic workplace safety, you're unemployable. You'll need a permanent handler appointed by the state so you don't hurt yourself or others.

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Sgt_Beefy t1_iu2zv56 wrote

No, hypochondriacs like you think yourself and others need handlers. Must be tough holding up after the pandemic without having someone tell you how to live your day by day huh? Sorry, but it's over. Looks like they'll have to line the pockets of these "unemployable" people they unfairly fired too, so seems this all worked out great.

I wonder how shocked all of you with this position would be to find out that during the pandemic tons of fortune 500 companies were working directly with unvaccinated contracted employees, and had multiple page lists of companies excused for vaccination requirements. These people were coming into contact with unvaccinated people every day and were none the wiser, but they wont tell you that. It's all about what makes you feel safer. These people effectively lost their jobs for nothing, firing them did nothing, and you're sitting here like a privileged snob probably rolling your fat ass out of bed working a WFH job saying they "deserved" it. Eat shit basically.

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Quirky_Butterfly_946 t1_itrriox wrote

To those who supported this action to fire people because they were not vaccinate should be ashamed of themselves for the harm they caused families, and everyone else.

All you pitbulls who went after people because of this are the lowest of the low. You did not even want to listen to people, you were so sure that what you believed was so right you caused major damage.

I hope none of these positions are filled, and everyone who was fired/quit gets a big pay day.

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RTFA_RTFA t1_itrsnc4 wrote

Why would someone get paid for quitting a job?

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alohadave t1_itrsxwy wrote

> To those who supported this action to fire people because they were not vaccinate should be ashamed of themselves for the harm they caused families, and everyone else.

No, I don't think so. The harm was caused by those who refused to vaccinate. Not going to feel sorry for anyone who made that choice.

> All you pitbulls who went after people because of this are the lowest of the low. You did not even want to listen to people, you were so sure that what you believed was so right you caused major damage.

Boo hoo. Did you feel bullied for not getting the vaccine?

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RobinReborn t1_itvfp7m wrote

If there were some deadly side effect from the vaccine, you would have a point. But this is not a scientific justification for people to refuse vaccines, it's a legal issue.

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Quirky_Butterfly_946 t1_itvyg1t wrote

Looks like you don't/didn't keep up with the information as there were blood clot issues with many people

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RobinReborn t1_itw0xkl wrote

Care to define many as a percent of total people getting the vaccine? I bet it's less than 0.1%

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Freshman44 t1_itrwcpm wrote

They can go to hell. We don’t want unvaxxed workers 🖐🏼

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LoveMy7inch t1_its010z wrote

English motha fucka do you speak it

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[deleted] t1_its2s1o wrote

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Its_me_mikey t1_its3bg5 wrote

It’s a quote from Pulp Fiction, don’t take it so seriously.

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Its_me_mikey t1_its6hyr wrote

Oof. Who hurt you

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LoveMy7inch t1_itsok4e wrote

You’re literally too dumb to understand how dumb you sound such a shame

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Its_me_mikey t1_its74qy wrote

Yeah but I’m not racist and didn’t do anything remotely racist.

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