Great if true.

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They are desperate.

They see the writing on the wall.

A New York court just recently ruled that the layoffs of unvaccinated workers was abiitrary and capricious, given the lack of scientific evidence that vaccination prevents transmission of Coronavirus, and has hence ordered restitution and backpay.

They must really need plow drivers.

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vaccine mandates were well intentioned but an utter failure. new york is going to have to reinstate a bunch of people who were fired and back pay them from the date of firing, a huge pay day.

im far from an anti vaxer but the scientific evidence wasnt there to justify firing people

My my my, how the turn tables.

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yeah its too bad people dont want to have a legitimate conversation on it, im fully vaxxed with a booster and encourage everyone to get it but the complete disregard for workers rights was always such a shaky decision

this place is super pro union but blasted the firefighters union for being anti mandate

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The judge in question was pretty much expected to rule this way, and it's pretty likely it'll be overturned on appeal.

Not great. It means a government agency is so desperate for workers that they're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

To those who supported this action to fire people because they were not vaccinate should be ashamed of themselves for the harm they caused families, and everyone else.

All you pitbulls who went after people because of this are the lowest of the low. You did not even want to listen to people, you were so sure that what you believed was so right you caused major damage.

I hope none of these positions are filled, and everyone who was fired/quit gets a big pay day.

Now you don't trust the science?

Who are you talking to?

Why would someone get paid for quitting a job?

> To those who supported this action to fire people because they were not vaccinate should be ashamed of themselves for the harm they caused families, and everyone else.

No, I don't think so. The harm was caused by those who refused to vaccinate. Not going to feel sorry for anyone who made that choice.

> All you pitbulls who went after people because of this are the lowest of the low. You did not even want to listen to people, you were so sure that what you believed was so right you caused major damage.

Boo hoo. Did you feel bullied for not getting the vaccine?

I mean personally wouldn’t call former employees with work experience “bottom of the barrel” .

Former employees who refuse to do their job are bottom of the barrel.

They can go to hell. We don’t want unvaxxed workers 🖐🏼

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> new york is going to have to

We'll see what happens on appeal.

Really easy to look back at this and realize how horribly mismanaged we were. A lot of things were done incorrectly, but not for wrong reasons. I believe that most of the mandates, mask enforcement, shutdowns were done in good faith.

English motha fucka do you speak it

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It’s a quote from Pulp Fiction, don’t take it so seriously.

Good faith? Nah. There were plenty of people on this very subreddit taking great pleasure in unvaccinated health care workers losing their jobs. And those comments were upvoted by the hivemind

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There’s almost zero basis for this ruling to be overturned

I think it was a sense of fear and lack of knowledge. Everyone was desperate to get to zero Covid. We now know that isn’t possible even in China where they have been brutal about their restrictions. What so far as been discovered is that the vaccine helped alleviate symptoms and help keep people out of the hospital system while doctors and medical personnel learned how best to treat it, but that was hard to foresee because we were in the middle of a worldwide experiment. Now we can say well if you don’t want the vaccine that’s on you, good luck, and stay the fuck away from the rest of us.

I think what they needed to implement far more than a vaccine mandate was an increase of paid sick time in every industry but places are so afraid of that minority of people who will take advantage.

Oof. Who hurt you

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Yeah but I’m not racist and didn’t do anything remotely racist.

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How so?

There's plenty of basis for the ruling to be overturned, he's generally an outlier in terms of opinions.

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, Zucht v. King

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Are we more concerned with the merit of the ruling or the popularity of the judge? Get a grip

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I feel like anytime someone uses the word "scientific" then you know some bullshit is going to come right after.

look at some of these comments now

BASED

Yea this was done by an antivax judge. We’ll see if it holds up.

I went on a cruise this summer and literally every line we looked into mandated a PCR, supervised covid test (vax mandatory) 48 hours prior to boarding. Either you were covid free at that point or you're lying. Either way your comment is useless

>I think what they needed to implement far more than a vaccine mandate was an increase of paid sick time in every industry but places are so afraid of that minority of people who will take advantage.

You hit the nail on the head right here. My office just sent out a memo saying that you can be penalized for going over your 5 allotted sick days. Vaccinated employees are still coming in with symptoms and spreading it.

You’re literally too dumb to understand how dumb you sound such a shame

That’s awful. I’m sorry. Pure corporate greed. No one coming to work sick is being productive.

You quoted a movie. How dare you. /s

This thread is embarrassing.

Insofar as when you’re infected, sure. However, the original vaccine (and at the time of the mandate) reduced your chance of getting infected by 5x. So yeah, still indirectly reduces transmission.

Lol right. Best part of all is it wasn’t even me who quoted it 😂

lmao

Good! What happened in New York will be happening here. Hired back with backpay

Nope, not how it is anymore. No testing and no need for proof of vaccination. Look it up yourself if you don’t believe me.

The issue was that they were intended to get people to vaccinate to stop the spread.

While the vaccines are excellent at helping prevent serious illness and death, they werent as advertised with preventing spread.

That in mind, having a mandate then seems silly. It only made sense if the goal was to protect others. If they want to risk serious impacts of covid potentially, that’s on them. But a lot of things in life exist that are super dangerous but an individuals choice.

Yup. People on here loved seeing those lose their jobs because this sub was so far left at the time. It was disgusting

And to add to it, the firefighters union wasn’t anti mandate. It’s that they had made a vax or test deal with Janey before she left office. Wu came in and ripped up the deal and made a unilateral change for the vax mandate. She then offered essentially the same deal to the cops and teachers that she broke with the FF’s.

Anything to avoid actually paying good money for new labor.

Getting specific medical treatment isn’t “their job.”

Those requirements were changed literally barely over a week ago. The comment I was replying to was obviously referencing an earlier trip.

Keep stretching though. I'm sure you could use the exercise

Spoken like a true dipshit corporate stooge, impressive.

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Better be some A1 head involved

I don't see much merit in the ruling or proposed remedy.

The judge being frequently out of step with his colleagues is quite notable, as it's a bunch of his colleagues that will decide an appeal. If they all ruled pretty similarly, we could say it's unlikely for an appeal to succeed. If one guy is frequently way out of line with the views of others - it's much more likely for his decisions to get overturned on appeal.

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I got downvoted to hell for pointing out that allowing the city to unilaterally rip up a CBA between itself and the union was an absolutely terrible precedent, no matter how much “greater good” it would be for. No one wanted to hear that the unions bargain on behalf of their members and no one else, which is why concerned citizens don’t have a seat at the table.

Ya and Covid is still spreading like wildfire, hence why I said the protocols aren’t based on science…. The global economy will crash if protocols were based on science. Just like how the CDC changed their quarantine day recommendation from 10 to 6… my wife was told to come back to work because she had no symptoms, but she was still testing positive and the 6 days had passed. Keep trying to insult me, it’s absolutely hilarious little dude.

The fact the cruise Covid protocols have been basically dropped while Covid still exists proves my point.

Who cares

There's a lot of people in this post with zero knowledge of basic public health law or policy, and it's a great illustration of how we got into our depressing COVID trajrexfory lol

It literally is. You have to follow certain rules in the workplace.

Show me in the job description where it says specific medical treatment is required.

Janey was antivaxx. That's how she lost so easily

But you had people catching it and not dying

Woah you're telling me a conservative judge ruled against the city of New York????

If there were some deadly side effect from the vaccine, you would have a point. But this is not a scientific justification for people to refuse vaccines, it's a legal issue.

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What would you view as sufficient scientific evidence to justify firing people during a pandemic for not taking a vaccine?

This isn't a gotcha style question, I'm just curious what you line would be acceptable for you, so we could further discuss with that line in mind.

Looks like you don't/didn't keep up with the information as there were blood clot issues with many people

Care to define many as a percent of total people getting the vaccine? I bet it's less than 0.1%

It’s about time we go back to normal. The politicians really screwed up the economy and people’s lives mandating a vaccine based on sparse data. Let people decide for themselves.

The same place the job description says you can't use space heaters under your desk. The sample place it says you have to wear a helmet on a construction site. The same place it says you aren't allowed to let people tailgate into the building.

Uhhh.. the fire safety code?

Oh, right, you’re talking out of your ass. Carry on.

Nice L you've got there.

You're brave for admitting to being unemployable.

Going by your naive takes on what you consider "unemployable" that's not much of a concern.

If you can't follow ultra basic workplace safety, you're unemployable. You'll need a permanent handler appointed by the state so you don't hurt yourself or others.

No, hypochondriacs like you think yourself and others need handlers. Must be tough holding up after the pandemic without having someone tell you how to live your day by day huh? Sorry, but it's over. Looks like they'll have to line the pockets of these "unemployable" people they unfairly fired too, so seems this all worked out great.

I wonder how shocked all of you with this position would be to find out that during the pandemic tons of fortune 500 companies were working directly with unvaccinated contracted employees, and had multiple page lists of companies excused for vaccination requirements. These people were coming into contact with unvaccinated people every day and were none the wiser, but they wont tell you that. It's all about what makes you feel safer. These people effectively lost their jobs for nothing, firing them did nothing, and you're sitting here like a privileged snob probably rolling your fat ass out of bed working a WFH job saying they "deserved" it. Eat shit basically.

Yeah 100% vaccination will do that

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