Submitted by MetalForeign4018 t3_ygmx9h in boston

I've always said to people that I love walking through Boston, and HATE driving through it. Along this line, recently I had a discussion with some friends on this matter and I was talking about how I consider Boston to be a very pedestrian friendly city, which one of them gawked at. "The drivers are insane, the MBTA sucks, and there's not enough pedestrian infrastructure" To be honest I wasn't sure how to respond, I've always really loved walking around Boston, especially the Commons, but walking through my favorite neighborhood of Chinatown with its tight busy streets, I can understand why you wouldn't be left with the impression that Boston is a pedestrian focused city. I've also never had trouble on the MBTA, though I only regularly use the Blue Line, and 5 seconds talking to anyone else I understand that my experience is a bit rare in the city.

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What's you're opinion on the matter? I feel like compared to the highway hell-scapes that are many cities in this country, Boston is pretty walkable. But I can also understand if you're used to the pedestrian cities of Europe (the friend mentioned is British) you might not agree.

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Pinwurm t1_iu9idg8 wrote

As someone that travels abroad a lot, Boston is an extremely walkable city, and to say otherwise is bullshittery. Almost all tasks can be accomplished on foot. Also, you’re never more than a 5-10 minute walk from a park, and a public square. It’s safe, well lit, and clean.

Even by European (and yes, British Standards), we do a fantastic job. As long as we’re not comparing to London. If we’re comparing to Leeds, Bristol, Birmingham or even Dublin - we’re categorically above.

We have many neighborhoods with walk scores of 99. Cambridge is the most walkable city in the country and ranks as highly as anywhere abroad. We average lower due to neighborhoods like West Roxbury and Roslindale that are more car dependent, but the core city is great.

Unfortunately the MBTA is meh-as-fuck. Even though Paris Metro on-time performance is similar to ours, they still manage to have 2 minute departures during peak hours.

Our Blue Line is pretty normal by European standards in terms of reliability - and the Orange Line actually seems better with all the new trains. Though departure times are less frequent since the Feds got involved and cleaning house.

Hopefully things will get better with Governor Healy. I’m not entirely optimistic, but TBD.

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AKiss20 t1_iua9xma wrote

It’s not bullshittery to say that because of the MBTA being meh at best of times that drastically reduces the walkability of the city. Having good public transit is part of having a highly walkable city because it enables you to achieve all tasks on foot, aka walking. Having several small cores that are relatively walkable but then are barely if at all reachable without a car does not a walkable city make.

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rygo796 t1_iub8wgi wrote

The problem of the walk score is it doesn't account for how likely you are to walk to close-by amenities.

If you live half a mile from a super Walmart, technically it would give you a high walk score given all it provides 'walking distance' from your home.

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MetalForeign4018 OP t1_iublqmh wrote

This is a very good point. I guess that's probably the crux of the disagreement.

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muddymoose t1_iudbx6b wrote

Im not detracting, very well put... But citing the orange line (which recently caught a literal hefty fire) as a good example of our infrastructure is near-sighted at best

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riski_click t1_iuaf7jc wrote

it's a very walkable city, but I don't know if I'd say it's "pedestrian friendly." Those seem to be two separate things that you have linked..

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deadliftothersup t1_iud0kwt wrote

Yeah basically no cities in the US are pedestrian first, but Boston is comparatively better, which of course are the options we have in front of us.

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BackRiverAch t1_iudkp80 wrote

It's very pedestrian friendly if you are from here because we jay walk like it was designed to be used that way.

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riski_click t1_iudu0n3 wrote

100%. Those of us that are from here know it's safer to cross wherever you are if there are no cars coming, rather than walking to a crosswalk and expecting cars to stop.

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BackRiverAch t1_iuj0ub7 wrote

Yep. I wasn't being funny, I'm glad someone else got it. We're not on a grid layout here with our roads, and people here also walk much faster in public than anywhere else I've been. I've never seen another city where people opportunistically cut through traffic like in Boston.

Like if you tracked most people here on Google maps walking around the city, it'd be them like zig-zagging through the city on foot instead of stopping at every crosswalk if they're from here.

Just an observation.

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morrowgirl t1_iud07na wrote

This is an excellent distinction. The car is still King in Boston and traffic laws are barely, if ever, enforced.

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Id_Solomon t1_iudfa8m wrote

Just don't stand in the middle of the road like an idiot. You're just asking for trouble (or maybe a settlement).

KEEP WALKING!!!

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aweebirb t1_iu9xgk0 wrote

By American standards it’s extremely walkable

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boreas907 t1_iuczg0i wrote

The only other city more walkable is New York.

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charons-voyage t1_iud21xh wrote

The only reason I sometimes think Boston is “more walkable” than NYC is because Boston is so small you can walk the best parts of the city in a few hours lol. NYC requires a subway to do that since it’s so much bigger (and more to see lol).

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boreas907 t1_iud6oca wrote

I often say that New York is more walkable but Boston is more pleasant to walk in.

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charons-voyage t1_iud8oe3 wrote

I can get on board with that. Boston is certainly cleaner and not as congested.

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specialcranberries t1_iugsquj wrote

I’m not sure I would agree with that statement but okay. I definitely know of at least one city I would consider more walkable, especially with the weather. It is very walkable though though.

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shiplesp t1_iu9clp8 wrote

Most of the neighborhoods within the core of Boston have a walkability score of 99. That's pretty good. We could make walking safer for pedestrians with better street design and limiting where/when cars and trucks can go. And no one is going to disagree that something has to be done with the MBTA before the infrastructure crumbles to dust.

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TotallyErratic t1_iu9bp1e wrote

I'd say its fairly walkable by American city standards. Sure, it's no Paris, London, or Tokyo, but when you compare to the monstrosity such as Houston, Dallas, LA, and Atlanta, its definitely walkable.

If you live in financial district, beacon hill, or back bay, the city is very walkable.

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MetalForeign4018 OP t1_iu9d5rr wrote

My sister moved to Houston for work and after visiting her twice it has made me appreciate Boston significantly more.

I didn't see a single bicycle and every street feels like a highway truck stop.

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StuckinSuFu t1_iub18aa wrote

Can fly to Atlanta and take the MARTA right to the city core and it has protected bike lanes. Downtown Atlanta is very walkable.

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TotallyErratic t1_iubfdgy wrote

Maybe in winter months. I wouldn't consider any part of Hotlanta as walkable from late Spring to early Fall.

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StuckinSuFu t1_iubfolz wrote

Because it's too hot for you ? By that logic Boston is completely unwalkable most of Fall and all of winter due to the cold?

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TotallyErratic t1_iubjzbj wrote

I can layer for the cold. I can only take off so much clothes before the police takes me away.

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ForwardBound t1_iua0n6u wrote

Boston is a terrifically walkable city in many parts--I don't even really agree with the people saying it's significantly worse than major European cities. I have a much easier time doing things like grocery shopping here than I did in London, and there's more green space with a purpose. If you follow the Emerald Necklace, you can actually get from your home to work while not having to cross many street at all. London and Paris have breathtaking parks, but they're generally in contained spaces, rather than snaking through the city.

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Drift_Life t1_iuc0c10 wrote

I wouldn’t compare Boston to cities like London or Paris, that’s more of a NYC comparison. Compared to the rest of the US we are absolutely at the top of walkable cities. Compared to Europe we are quite competitive as a walkable city but our subway needs improvement

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ForwardBound t1_iucqp8d wrote

Absolutely the subway needs improvement. We are not in the same class as London or Paris (the two cities I'm most familiar with) at all.

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michael_scarn_21 t1_iu9gse2 wrote

Boston is walkable due to its size and it is pretty flat. There are also some great places to walk like the Esplanade. The infrastructure for pedestrians sucks (drivers sharing a turn with pedestrians has caused deaths and will cause more). Drivers stopping at lights and crosswalks needs to be enforced as does slowing the speed down on key roads.

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ckikikaz t1_iu9cdbn wrote

Yes. Brookline, Cambridge, Somerville as well. I think with everything being so dense it doesn't take you THAT long to get places.

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Squish_the_android t1_iu9iczi wrote

Having lived in London and worked in Boston.

Boston is very walkable.

Don't get me wrong, the Underground is amazing and even when it closes at night the Night Buses will get you where you need to go, but Boston is much smaller and by extension a bit more manageable by foot.

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7148675309 t1_iue88ar wrote

Now I have memories of walking to work in the early 2000s when there’d be a Tube strike and the buses were full by the time they got to my stop.

I only moved here in the summer but compared to where I lived the last two decades (Southern California) it’s a million miles apart.

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bostongreens t1_iu9tq6p wrote

Boston is one of the most walkable cities in the country

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AKiss20 t1_iu9cku4 wrote

By American standards it’s probably one of the most walkable. By European standards it’s basically to most major European cities as Houston is to the US.

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f0rtytw0 t1_iu9iqu1 wrote

Middle of the road europe, not the Houston of Europe.

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book81able t1_iucded8 wrote

Seems a bit harsh but happy you’re looking for improvement.

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BfN_Turin t1_iu9m4go wrote

As a European living in Boston, i agree that this statement is accurate.

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Yak_Rodeo t1_iu9ba8g wrote

yes, downtown/charlestown/southie/most of the south end is but not rozzie/dorchester/mattapan/west roxbury/hyde park/roxbury

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WhatAThrill90210 t1_iu9ctm3 wrote

Rozzie is super walkable but is not as densely filled with shops and restaurants as neighborhoods downtown. I moved to Roslindale because I loved walking in it so much. Besides relatively good sidewalks, we have the Arboretum which is a GREAT place to walk and are super close to Jamaica Pond and the Forest Hills Cemetery.

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Yak_Rodeo t1_iu9dey4 wrote

sure, near the square but if youre near legion or off cornell theres not much around except for residences

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No-Pop-125 t1_iua7ozd wrote

Boston is super walkable. I spend a lot of time in So California where walking is pretty much non-existent and impossible.

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7148675309 t1_iue8jgo wrote

My first job in SoCal was across the street from South Coast Plaza. I was shocked people got in their cars and drove across the street for lunch!

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sportballgood t1_iu9huk8 wrote

It’s strange, Boston is considered so walkable, but as someone from the West Coast I have always felt way less comfortable walking here than Portland, Seattle, or SF. I feel like I am constantly competing with cars as a pedestrian!

It is pretty easy to get anywhere on foot, though.

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Repulsive-Bend8283 t1_iuakyxd wrote

You're doing it wrong. You don't compete with cars; you dare them. If you make eye contact with a driver who has time to stop, you automatically get the right to step in front of them, regardless of actual traffic rules.

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anubus72 t1_iuaqcjc wrote

Playing chicken with cars does get old though. Some townies will never yield to you unless you step in front of them, and I don’t really want to risk my life like that

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Clintowskiii t1_iuc88mp wrote

Agreed people here drive like psychopaths. Don’t get why the driving culture here is so toxic. Green light for 0.2 seconds and you get a long honk.

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MiscellaneousBeef t1_iudg6yt wrote

Opposite experience here, I find Boston to be much more walkable than the West Coast. The roads are narrow here and you can walk across the street whenever you want.

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biddily t1_iubktfg wrote

Boston very walkable, in my opinion. While the streets arent generally straight, the city's not BIG either - and its pretty safe, so theres not generally big industrial dead zones, so it's not that hard to walk from one side of the city to the other. In fact, I have. Dorchester to Cambridge. The only real problem is knowing the streets well enough to know where you're going and once you know that the problems moot.

I've backpacked across Europe and Roadtripped across the US as well, so I've been to LOTS of cities.

Compared to US cities, Boston is supremely walkable (cow path roads aside). The city center was designed people first. So much of the city was laid out before cars or MBTA came about. Even other big US cities struggle to say that. San Francisco, while... 'walkable' has a steep hill problem that makes things problematic for people with disabilities or arent super fit, requiring people to drive to use public transportation. I'm disabled and I've issued with their transportation not stopping at all because theyre full and im left stranded. Its not great.

European cities are walkable only because they were designed and build when walking was the only means of transportation. I've lived in Leeds. Downtown Leeds is just a giant walkable shopping district, residential neighborhoods is GARBAGE.

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book81able t1_iucembj wrote

I think having a messy road layout is a huge plus in walkability. Walking down the same gridded street gets much more monotonous then having 6 different routes that all take the sale time but bring you to new places.

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WillRunForPopcorn t1_iuczy3m wrote

Absolutely, and anyone who thinks not has not travelled through the US very much. It's not just Boston, greater Boston is also walkable. I have gone on runs from Boston to Reading with a sidewalk the entire way. Many places don't have that.

Walking to go to stores or work, yes it's walkable but of course it'll be better in certain neighborhoods than others.

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Glittering_Function9 t1_iub7h1a wrote

Yes walkable!! If you can get from one end of the city to the other without a car, that’s a good city.

Source: I lived in Indianapolis for 2 years. You can’t scratch an itch without a car there.

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schorschico t1_iubfdl4 wrote

It hay be walkable but I would argue no city with right on red can be called pedestrian friendly.

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angelmichelle13 t1_iua7rkq wrote

I would say what the second most walkable behind NYC? It’s unreal how straightforward it can be to walk from like Newton to Seaport.

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wet_cupcake t1_iuae21f wrote

Lol what???? Are people walking from Newton to Seaport often?

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angelmichelle13 t1_iualrg6 wrote

Nah but it’s safely doable if you want. That’s just what I meant.

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Angri_1999 t1_iub8dub wrote

Newton toSeaport used to be part of my commute, while I used the T for most of it, I walked a fair bit:

  • walk to commuter rail
  • Commuter rail to South Station
  • Silver Line to Seaport
  • walk to job
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SirGeorgington t1_iucyaa3 wrote

If you're used to a city like say, Amsterdam or Paris, yes, Boston is much less walkable, especially given the state of the T. Compared to cities like LA or Houston though, it's a pedestrian paradise.

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MetalForeign4018 OP t1_iuboxlg wrote

I will never like this bot, because I pluralize everything. I don't care how many people correct me: I will always call Wawa "Wawas", and the Common will always be The Commons.

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BurritoSlayer117 t1_iub3qdh wrote

I live in chelsea myself . My apartment has the silver line and train 5 minute walking distant . I only use my car for work most of the time. Visiting New York recently I appreciate Boston so much more

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hdiggyh t1_iub7r7v wrote

Extremely walkable. I used to work near museum of science and would walk from Fenway all the time. Got there just as quickly as a green line most of the time and the esplanade was really nice to walk on. Love walking in Boston

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Delvin4519 t1_iubbp9u wrote

No, the Boston area is not a walkable city.

The Boston area is a city overrun and dominated by cars and car culture, for the most part.

The gold standard for walkable cities is often Dutch cities in the Netherlands, such as Amsterdam. See Not Just Bikes for more information why. Pedestrian friendliness is key to a walkable city.

While many European cities are much closer to the Dutch standard of urban design and planning, and making a lot of progress. The Boston area's work to reverse the cancer that is car centric urban design is extremely slow, inconsistant, and a patchwork at best. The Boston area has an extremely long ways to go to even reach the "average European city", let alone Dutch cities, in terms of walkability.

The city of Boston, and its inner core suburbs, although built before cars, was signficantly bulldozed for the car in the 1950s - 1970s, relative compared to Amsterdam. Later on, the Big Dig was done in the 2000s to move traffic underground, and also made traffic worse by adding 1 additional lane in each direction and 2 more to get to the airport (adding more lanes only creates more traffic, and maintainance costs and project costs overruns reduced transit funding and capacity).

In Boston, you'll find extremely wide roads, often with highway-size lanes in the middle of the city and slicing through neighborhoods and separating neighborhoods from one another. Sidewalks are often narrow, cramped, and lack tree canopy, and many times curb ramps are extremely poor quality. Pedestrianized streets, traffic calming, and protected bike lanes are few and far between. There are very few pedestrianzed streets or car-light streets. Drivers are aggressive, and you will need to watch out far cars, they won't stop for you. Be careful when taking care of children crossing the street.

Crossing the street in Boston is very dangerous and time consuming compared to Dutch streets. Pedestrians only get the go signal maybe every 3 to 5 minutes. And it takes 30 seconds or so to cross the street since the street is 6 highway-sized lanes wide, or 4 lanes with on street parking. Plus, cars are allowed to park right up to the crosswalk. Meaning you can't see oncoming traffic and oncoming traffic can't see you, because of the parked car blocking visability. And since the road is multiple lanes, you need visibility and driver compliance from multiple lanes of traffic, and the outer lane car can block visibility of pedestrians from the inner lane car. Traffic fatalities in the Boston area is at least double, if not more, than the Netherlands.

While most of the inner core Boston area has sidewalks, once you go north past Malden and Medford, northeast past Revere, northwest past Arlington, west of Waltham, southwest past Brookline, and south of Hyde Park and Quincy. Sidewalks are no longer standard. And you will need a car. Many beaches, mountains, and hiking and skiing trails requires a car. There is no public transit, unlike European countries like the Netherlands or Switzerland. And many jobs, say, in an office park on I-95, means for many jobs, you will need a driver's license to qualify for the job, or you might need a car anyways since transit is unreliable or doesn't exist, and bike lanes are poor quality.

And speaking of bike lanes, bike lanes are often just a painted line on the street, good luck seeing that in the snow-covered roads come winter. So in winter, they are often covered in snow and ice from whatever the plows push the snow aside. And if there's a bike lane, there's no protection from parked cars, meaning dooring is a major problem. And protected bike lanes are not connected with other bike lanes. And even with the few protected bike lanes, you will need to cross an intersection who's primary purpose is to move as many cars as possible, not pedestrian and cyclist safety or comfort.

Many shared use bike paths are often recreational and do not connect residents to jobs, errands, etc, and there's a lot of gaps if it were to be considered part of the "bike network". Some neighborhoods, even in the city, don't have a single bike lane at all, such as Charlestown. Given these "bike lanes", means that you do not see teens or elderly using the bike lanes, often just middle-aged men. And bike parking? Few and far between, you'll need to find whatever fixed object to attach to and worry about it being stolen. And it will need a lot of work to scale up if more were to bike.

Many errands often require walking several minutes through large, bare parking lots to strip malls, due to parking requirements. And these strip malls are far from public transit. And speaking of public transit, buses are slow, infrequent, and get stuck in traffic. Common sense transit features such as bus lanes (on multi-lane streets) and transit signal priority aren't standard. Subway frequencies are a fraction of European, Asian, and even Mexican and South American subway systems.

Zoning laws require massive amounts of parking, setback requirements, restricted to single family only, and large lot sizes, meaning your home and your neighborhood will be car centric and low density, meaning it will be far to walk somewhere (Example: Lexington, Melrose, Dedham, Randolph). Plus, you'll need to shuttle your child to school and sports practices if there's no school buses or public transit is unreliable and non-existant. Although, in the city, children do get free T-passes, so it's doable for them to get around. Note that multi-family zoning was implemented recently, although implementation will take a while.

Even with new developments, and street repaving and reconstruction, traffic calming safety features are not standard. New housing requires parking requirements, except for Cambridge. Raised crosswalks are not standard yet for side streets. Multi-lane streets aren't being reduced to 1 lane for car traffic, with an extra lane redirected to buses or bikes. Cities are yet to ban parking within 20 feet of crosswalks. Traffic lights aren't being relocated to the near side of the intersection from the far side, which if done would improve pedestrian safety crossing the street by discouraging box blocking. Trees are being planted on the sidewalk instead of using a parking spot for tree planting, which makes the sidewalk very narrow. Jaywalking is yet to be decriminalized. The urban street speed limit is 25 MPH, with no plan to update it to 20 MPH to match the 30 KM / H speed limit being adapted by European cities. Right on reds continue to be legal in the Boston area, which is illogical and causes a lot of pedestrian and bike accidents.

Even today, highways are still being widened, and more ways to give more space to cars. For example, the reconstruction of Route 99 will include slip lanes to speed up right turning cars, meaning more crosswalk and more lanes for pedestrians to cross.

As such, progress to undo the cancer that is car culture in Boston, and transform the city into a TRUE walkable city is SLOW and sluggish at best, and "slow" relative to the progress and transformation European cities are making currently.

Cambridge and Somerville are making progress, although it is slow and sluggish (relative to Europe), and many of their multi-model transportation networks are woefully incomplete and have large gaps in the network, as it stands so far. Boston is much slower than Somerville/Cambridge and the multi-model infrastructure only covers a few neighborhoods at best, currently. Most Boston neighborhoods don't have any yet. Maybe by 2050 I could see Cambridge and Somerville approach what the average Europen city is today in terms of walkability, but Boston? Maybe several neighborhoods. Suburbs such as Medford and Malden? Maybe they might become what Boston is today. And transit? It'll probably still be woefully inadequate for demand.

And yes, Boston is much better than most of the US/Canada. Houston, Dallas, Las Vegas are much worse than Boston, and as such, implementation of Dutch quality walkable, multi-modal infrastructure will be a pipe dream for those sunbelt cities. Boston? In some aspects it is trying, in others, not so much; and the sum and product of what Boston has to offer in terms of walkability and multi-modal transport is uncompetitive with that to your average European city.

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LollyTotlkyWondrr t1_iudhwjz wrote

Boston is falling to shambles. You explained my feeling perfectly. I see people say they sweat on their way to work and are rugged because they can bike in the snow or whatever, but there is no infrastructure for this. As for the T, it is much more reliable for me to Uber or drive. I see my coworkers being able to get up at the last minute and then I have to get up at an ungodly hour to make the only bus in my neighborhood in the morning. PT and bike riding is made for a certain person. Even NY is worse. I talked to one person who told me they were crossing the street and the cars didnt even stop.

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oliviajoon t1_iubd0yj wrote

i love walking around boston. sometimes i walk long distances between train stops instead of getting on the train just because its a nice walk (like from kenmore to government center or aquarium so i can get straight on the blue line. or from gov center to charles/mgh to avoid the green and red lines.) i enjoy it.

obviously theres some bad intersections and whatever but the only other cities i am familiar enough with to compare are providence, new haven ct, san francisco and seattle. i’d say boston is the top of the list and the west coast cities at the bottom for “cities id like to commute via legs”.

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romansapprentice t1_iubd1ud wrote

It was literally built before cars existed and probably one of the most of not the most walkable city in America. There's a reason why maps of Boston look so fucked up lol, it's because the city was designed with walking in mind. Given the shoehorning of cars into it does throw a wrench into it, but I am consistently able to walk through massive parts of downtown Boston.

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clitosaurushex t1_iudagmc wrote

I feel like Boston and surrounding areas have great walkability islands connected by driving.

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GM_Pax t1_iu9gm55 wrote

The core parts of Boston, and some of the adjacent towns, definitely yes. MBTA's current troubles aside, there's a good network of public transit to get you within a few blocks of your destination, and probably you can access the system within a similarly short distance.

Some of the more outlaying parts ... maybe yes?

Overall, it's got to be one of the more walkable cities in the U.S.

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Compared to most of Europe it's pretty shit, though.

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hoopbag33 t1_iuaea2w wrote

Once you get into the city its extremely walkable.

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deegofuego t1_iubbywi wrote

unpopular opinion: having a car in this city makes it so much more accessible than public transit and walkability and even alternative transport options like bike. lived here all my life and have done all those, car really makes everything so small. if you actually know your way around, where to park even in the middle of city, and know when and where you cant go during rush hour makes this city so much more accessible than just walking or taking transit. of course factors in affordability, and thats not entirely possible for most people and im grateful to have a situation where i can park for free on my street etc…but actually having a car is gold here. can get around fast, and immediately get out to other states to get outta town

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LollyTotlkyWondrr t1_iudhyv9 wrote

Even better if you live in JP, you get the best of both worlds

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deegofuego t1_iudt54d wrote

yuppp. live in roxbury. im a, at most, 15 min drive from anywhere in the city and out

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hungerybleh t1_iubp8w0 wrote

I don’t have a car but 100% this.

10 minute drive to boston logan vs 50 minutes via public transit. my main mode of transit is by bike and every time I do I feel like I’m going to get hit in my tiny bike lane that I know will suddenly disappear at the next light.

this city was/is designed for cars and I hate that I wish I owned one.

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spacehelicopterr t1_iubq6yq wrote

I know right. The proximity to the city is completely negated by the terrible transit if you choose to live car free. 2 transit changes to get there, take the green/orange into Boston if you live close to them. Change onto the blue, then get on an 88 shuttle and you're finally there. Oh if you're not near a green or orange like a red don't forget that's another change.

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deegofuego t1_iudszpn wrote

im big city biker as well so that doesnt particularly affect me in terms of being afraid to commute all over the city but it does certainly limit my routes and ultimately turns me off especially in bad weather days or conditions

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Namgodtoh t1_iubp10a wrote

Very walkable. For the US I would put it in the top 3 major cities with NY and DC

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aflockofsvigals t1_iubyzyu wrote

Compared to other places I’ve lived, Boston is extremely walkable. Try running errands on foot elsewhere and you’ll see how car dependent much of the U.S. is. I had to drive for one year prior to moving to Boston because it was the only way to guarantee that I would make it to work on time.

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somegummybears t1_iucrpl5 wrote

More people (as a percentage) walk to work in Boston than any other large city in the country.

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SuperGr00valistic t1_iuctram wrote

My personal walkability rank based on living in these places for more than 6 months

London

Boston

DC

Pittsburgh

Chicago

Columbus

Nashville

Riyadh

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misterflappypants t1_iucvz2b wrote

I live in Coolidge corner and walk 2.1 miles to work each day.

I sold my car, and I own multiple thicknesses of Canada goose jackets and long underwear to manage walking through 90% of the winter.

I love it, and I’m about to quit my job/career to find another walkable job. because my company is selling the building to move out of the city.

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Razmataz444 t1_iud07ok wrote

Yes, very much so. I love walking around Boston.

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BandwagonReaganfan t1_iud8260 wrote

Well since I've heard people refer to Boston as the walking city. I would say it's walkable.

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BostonUH t1_iud9fu4 wrote

Easily one of the most walkable largest cities in the US

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Marmot2010 t1_iudefpw wrote

100% walkable. Used to take public transportation for the morning commute to the north end and then walk the ~2ish hours all the way back to the outer end of Brighton.

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1dad1kid t1_iuhm84n wrote

I'd say it's very walkable, and I've spent a lot of time in Europe.

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neonwattagelimit t1_iu9tg1a wrote

It’s very walkable for the US (and I actually think the pedestrian infrastructure is OK, too). I’ve never lived in Europe, but thinking of cities I’ve visited, I’d say Boston is maybe below-average, but not by that much. It just doesn’t have a pedestrianized zone in or near the center the way a lot of European cities do.

The MBTA is a mess, though.

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MatNomis t1_iuclxqe wrote

Buy a Boston travel guide and look at the included street level maps. It’s basically Downtown Boston, ranging from the southern part of Charlestown and the northern part of the south end in the east, and the Fenway area in the west. They will also usually have a breakout map for Harvard Square and maybe MIT.

This is basically the non-resident‘s version of Boston, and there are essentially no two points on that map that are more than an hour walk from one another. You don’t even need mass transit, most stuff will be less than a 20 minute walk away by foot.

If you want to go to Costco, some fancy restaurant in Newton, or go pyo apple picking, then walking isn’t very realistic.

It might not always be walk-friendly, but due to the distances involved, the core is walk-able.

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Trexrunner t1_iud1uto wrote

It is walkable, but it also has a disproportionate number of extremely stupid intersections/street designs that make it unnecessarily dangerous for pedestrians.

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phonesmahones t1_iudh0u5 wrote

Very! It’s America’s Walking City™️.

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Sayoria t1_iudqc8t wrote

Absolutely. When I can walk from South Station to Porter Square without needing any kinds of breaks, I'd safely assume the city is pretty darn walkable.

Now if we consider going up or down the staircase at the T station there, that's a different story.

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Dontleave t1_iuenazd wrote

Once you get to the longwood medical area anything east of there is very walkable. East Boston and anything west of the longwood area usually requires people to own a car for one reason or another

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memot1 t1_iub21mk wrote

I’ve always considered Boston a walkable city, but after witnessing several near misses of pedestrians being hit by cars I’m re-thinking the walk ability.

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drewg2009 t1_iuby674 wrote

Depends where you live. I live in Quincy far from anything useful so not really

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wjhubbard3 t1_iuc1y5p wrote

By American standards, yes. By European standards, not at all.

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Ok_Entertainment2301 t1_iuc5jl9 wrote

Yes. Walking around downtown is great. Train into downtown makes it convenient.

Getting into the city from the suburbs or even somewhere like Winter Hill, Somerville on the other hand... cut across 4 lane road, 6 land intersection, hop the guardrail, cross the offramp, hop another guardrail, trudge through the snow in the parking lot and past the plow dumping grounds, mbta. After midnight - pay $80 for an Uber ya sucker. Want food? Walk 1.5 miles to market basket or across a bunch of highways to wegmans / Whole Foods.

So yeah. Great if your somewhere interconnected. Great food and jobs and trains with similar places in walking distance. Otherwise your dependent on car / e-bike (great until it snows).

The metro region is dense enough that everywhere is close but IMO that alone doesn’t make it walkable. It will / should become more transit oriented.

Driving in the city off rush hour is a lot of fun imo. Relaxed policing, good driver communication, good signage, European layout / squares, beautiful roads along rivers, tunnels, bridges, etc. Parking always blows and the traffic can get intense real fast.

Compared to the rest of the country it’s great. But vs NYC ... eh. Idk is that even a fair comparison?

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Liqmadique t1_iuc8aka wrote

It's walkable but only a few areas are pedestrian friendly. The places that people think of as traditionally "Boston" (Fenway, Back Bay, South End, Chinatown, DTX etc) are pedestrian friendly. The rest of it is not and there's a lot of land and people in those areas. How familiar are you with the rest of Boston? Walk past Mass Ave. sometime into Roxbury or head out to Roslindale or Mattapan and see how pedestrian friendly it is for yourself...

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Perseverance792 t1_iub3s74 wrote

A lot of the time the drivers are fine, but the pedestrians don't know how to lawfully walk.

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pillbinge t1_iubhjiy wrote

Some parts are. Most parts aren't. Anyone who says the city is walkable is coming from bumfuck nowhere and trying to aggrandize the city. I'm both from the city and I travel a lot. Boston has more in common with European suburbs than the cities themselves, but plenty of parts are cut off.

Keep in mind that some people say "walkable" includes transit, while others don't. I can see either point. Regardless, those who have cars are at a huge advantage. Only when it's mainly a disadvantage for the city does "walkable" start to shift in balance.

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FromLuxorToEphesus t1_iuc8kob wrote

So very few cities anywhere are walkable then, including 95% of Europe. There’s very very very few cities in the world where having a car is more of a disadvantage than an advantage.

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pillbinge t1_iudlmu7 wrote

Correct. Very few are walkable, though I've seemingly lived in all of them in Europe then. The test for me is whether or not my mother could walk to the store on her own and get what she needs. In Boston, she cannot. If she has to rely on the T then that's less walkable than not relying on the T, but in decades past, grocers' have shut down and businesses turned into chains. I wish she didn't need a car, but she does.

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TywinShitsGold t1_iu9qgz2 wrote

It’s walkable in the CBD/downtown area. It’s drivable all over.

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Angri_1999 t1_iub8mf3 wrote

But is it parkable all over?

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deegofuego t1_iubcawk wrote

easily. know your way around the back roads in any neighborhood and youll find at least a spot or three.

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hungerybleh t1_iubpgpe wrote

lol this comment does not deserve the downvotes it has received. gotta admit it sucks driving here too though.

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