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lamb_pudding t1_iyba090 wrote

Reply to comment by lostinam3rica in I would purchase this by mzzy_ozborne

I dunno. You should watch this video, it changed my perspective on considering things blatant rip offs. Maybe they did see your design and rip it off. But, it’s not a blatant rip off and has enough difference in it to make me think two people came up with the same creative idea.

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lostinam3rica t1_iybau5n wrote

Hmm…same typeface, same vertical orientation, same line work running through the T logo, same number location but reversed? This ain’t a coincidence bud.

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lamb_pudding t1_iybff9p wrote

These coincidences are actually pretty likely. Both designs are taking inspiration from the MBTA's design system (i.e. the line work and typeface).
The differences I see in the two designs are: 1. the lines take different shapes and directions 2. the layout of the team name and number are different.
Both designs read to me as a response to an art school prompt. "Design a Celtics Jersey that uses the MBTA design system". While you may have had this clever design idea first, it’s not that hard to see how someone else would come up with the same idea either and landed on a similar result.

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thepasttenseofdraw t1_iyblhjr wrote

> “Design a Celtics Jersey that uses the MBTA design system”.

Along with the requisite art school primadonna thinking using industrial design from the 70s means they own it and invented it, and then calling out someone else for having similar inspiration.

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Control_Is_Dead t1_iybd6i4 wrote

It's not the same typeface fwiw. Still probably not a coincidence imo.

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giritrobbins t1_iyd4vkv wrote

Don't type faces and families go in and out of style regularly. It seems that's what's currently vogue.

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Control_Is_Dead t1_iyddahu wrote

I would say not so much the font styles, but the way in which those styles are used.

> “In the new computer age, the proliferation of typefaces and type manipulations represents a new level of visual pollution threatening our culture. Out of thousands of typefaces, all we need are a few basic ones and trash the rest.” — Massimo Vignelli

For context of the timescale, Grotesque fonts on transit maps is a ~50 year old trend whereas the font style itself is from the 1800s.

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lostinam3rica t1_iybhbft wrote

Technically yes, you’re correct. But very similar san serif—I just meant to the average viewer they’re essentially the same.

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CaesarOrgasmus t1_iyd5963 wrote

technically, the average person knows fuck-all about type and will see Helvetica next to a geometric sans-serif and go "they don't have the squiggly end bits, they're the same"

a designer would be able to easily distinguish the two and choose more intentionally.

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bookon t1_iydjbdw wrote

I think the suggestion is that if two separate people both decided to make an MBTA inspired Celtics jersey then they would likely have similar design choices. And that is a very fair suggestion.

This seems to be very similar however.

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thepasttenseofdraw t1_iybky94 wrote

Not the same vertical design. I mean the OP is a T, which I’d argue is far more clever and aestetically pleasing than what it’s purported to be stealing from. This other one is 80s future lines like United airlines. There’s nothing novel about having the T line colors represented, or organizing them by color in a pleasing way.

Edit: I mean by your measure, you just stole this nuggets design from the 80s:

https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/kxkAAOSwJwdjDFue/s-l300.jpg

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JimboScribbles t1_iyddxch wrote

People who aren't used to critiquing art wouldn't pick up on most of the subtle design differences between these two examples despite being visually similar. Spending years in a critique based system will teach you very quickly how to spot the differences.

But like you mentioned further along, if you took 100 designers, kept them from each other and gave them the prompt 'Design a jersey that's based off of the MBTA', probably 90/100 would look exactly like these two examples but would have enough unique design elements that none were copies.

It's probably not a ripoff at all, both are just very heavily borrowing design elements of generic transit maps that could be found in almost any major city.

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