coldsnap123 t1_j27d23x wrote
Reply to comment by DeffNotTom in How do we feel about dogs in coffee shops? by korkvid
Because the dog will be wearing a vest that says service animal. Also, working dogs do not behave like pets.
ijustlikebeingnosy t1_j28rzd3 wrote
Wearing a vest is not a requirement.
coldsnap123 t1_j28ucaa wrote
It should be.
ijustlikebeingnosy t1_j28uqrw wrote
No it shouldn’t.
coldsnap123 t1_j28vdq3 wrote
There’s no good reason to why it shouldn’t be mandatory. That’s just an open invitation to the world to mess with a working dog.
ijustlikebeingnosy t1_j28wg03 wrote
Plenty of reasons why it shouldn’t. And no one should be messing with anyone’s dog.
ETA: I think it’s comical the downvoting when I said no one should mess with anyone’s dog.
coldsnap123 t1_j28wp7o wrote
That may be true, but they’re not good enough reasons.
ijustlikebeingnosy t1_j28zhil wrote
In your personal opinion.
TaffyLee__Fubbins t1_j27n5zh wrote
This is not true. Service dogs are not required to wear any identification.
Dontleave t1_j28nhe0 wrote
Then if you don’t want them to west a vest be prepared to answer 2 questions about the dog.
TaffyLee__Fubbins t1_j29cz9j wrote
I don’t have a service dog so my dog does not come with me places. But yeah, the questions are fine. Actually most of the people I’ve seen with fake service dogs have a vest and a fake certificate. Lol. Most real service dogs I know don’t have a vest. They just do their job quietly and politely.
TaffyLee__Fubbins t1_j29d0zr wrote
A vest doesn’t prevent questions.
coldsnap123 t1_j28ub8o wrote
They should.
TaffyLee__Fubbins t1_j29dc2v wrote
Write to the ADA then because the only current “documentation” you can get is through scams and I know a lot of shit people with fake service dogs who have these bullshit certificates and vests they bought off Etsy. There is no valid/official certification or gear to prove you have a real service dog and aren’t just trying to bring your pet to the coffee shop.
DeffNotTom t1_j27e6l3 wrote
I work in a hospital with disabled veterans, I see service dogs on a near daily basis. They don't have to wear a vest or any other identifying tags, and many people choose not to use them because of they don't want to advertise that they're disabled any more than they have to. Also, depending on what kind of task the service animal provides, they can, and do, still act like pets. And there are plenty of pet dogs who are highly trained and well behaved. There are no hard fast rules for service animal's other than being trained to perform a task(s) for a disabled person.
BeyondLions t1_j27kayp wrote
This is just false. My mom has a service dog that she had trained through TADSAW (Train a Dog, Save A Warrior) and the dog needs to focus on his/her task when ‘working’. And while service dogs can be all shapes and sizes, they must be distinguishable as a service animal, and they’re also required to have a certificate on them certifying they’re a service dog.
The issue is that the way the ADA is written prevents businesses from able to verify it’s a service dog, the only questions they’re allowed to ask is ‘Is this a service animal’ and ‘What tasks are they trained to perform?’, so a lot of people bring their personal pet in and just lie because we can’t ask for certification.
TaffyLee__Fubbins t1_j27n9qs wrote
No, THIS is false. There is no certificate - all the ones online are scams to steal your money. And there is no requirement for identification.
Businesses can ask two questions - is this a service dog? And what tasks are they trained to perform?
Darklighter10 t1_j282evz wrote
Sorry man, pretty much all of what you just said is false, and easily fact checked as such.
ijustlikebeingnosy t1_j28s5mf wrote
All of this is false. There is no certification required. Know your facts before you spew.
DeffNotTom t1_j27n4hs wrote
Most of what you just said was entirely wrong. But thanks to someone else telling me I was wrong, I already have the page pulled up. From the ADA website
"Q5. Does the ADA require service animals to be professionally trained?
A. No. People with disabilities have the right to train the dog themselves and are not required to use a professional service dog training program.
Q8. Do service animals have to wear a vest or patch or special harness identifying them as service animals?
A. No. The ADA does not require service animals to wear a vest, ID tag, or specific harness.
Q17. Does the ADA require that service animals be certified as service animals?
A. No. Covered entities may not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal, as a condition for entry.
There are individuals and organizations that sell service animal certification or registration documents online. These documents do not convey any rights under the ADA and the Department of Justice does not recognize them as proof that the dog is a service animal."
https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/
I agree, people skirt the law. That is literally my point. The law is nearly unenforceable because protecting the rights of disabled people is the more important issue. I'd rather have solid protection for disabled people's rights, even if that means people abuse that protection to beat other laws.
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