Do we love them? Do we hate them? A manager at Tatte got aggressive with a customer today that had a small dog. Came off pretty disrespectful with how he was talking. Guess they aren't as dog friendly as some of the other coffee places around town. Starbucks seems alright in terms of both big and small dogs. Nero seems good too. I like it when I see a friendly dog, even if it's on the job and I can't pet it đâđŠș. But that's just me.
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Acceptable_Tourist_4 t1_j27cn9u wrote
This. Theyâre not allowed in places that serve food. Just because one restaurant/coffee shop is looking the other way about it, doesnât mean others are going to. It can get a business shut down and itâs worth a strong response if a so-called customer is having trouble with that.
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j28zunx wrote
Worth also noting that "emotional support animal" and "service animal" are not the same thing.
taguscove t1_j27cxy6 wrote
Wtf, took a half dozen random comments before I get to the real answer. Same reason you shouldnt sell alcohol to minors - it is illegal
Slowpoke00 t1_j28owkb wrote
Just because something is illegal doesn't meant that it should be. You sound like someone that loves the taste of government boots.
DeffNotTom t1_j28ru00 wrote
Jaywalking is illegal but I'm willing to bet you, or peoplenyour friends with, do it on a fairly consistent basis. And jaywalking is far more dangerous than someone's pocketbook dog coming to a coffee shop.
TiffStyles2221 t1_j28wpuj wrote
Jaywalking doesnât pose risk to anyone else. Allowing a dog into a dining establishment can get the restaurant fined or shut down.
Cameron_james t1_j29o84i wrote
There is some risk to others. If, while driving or cycling, I hit a pedestrian who jaywalked across the street, I'd be pretty shaken up by it.
hyperside89 t1_j298heg wrote
Yeah - I actually think coffee shops that are allowing dogs should stop because they are causing problems for the places that are trying to follow the law but giving the impression this is "choice" rather than a law that could get an establishment into deep trouble.
As an aside, beyond people not wanting dogs around their food, pets in places like restaurants, etc have a big negative impact on people who rely on service animals. I have a friend whose service dog was attacked by a pet dog in a hardware store, and it took the service animal months of (expensive) training to overcome the resulting fear of dogs and be able to resume service animal work. For those months my friend didn't have their service animal their life was severely negatively impacted.
I'm a dog lover, have a dog myself. But I understand my dog doesn't get to go everywhere in order for other people to get to enjoy their lives.
problematicbirds t1_j2c56rz wrote
My partner works in a downtown sbux that got dinged on their most recent inspection for having a customerâs dog in the cafe. Now customers have been kicking and screaming when the employees try to enforce the rule.
DoodMonkey t1_j2bbniz wrote
When does a coffee shop become a restaurant? Asking for a friend
No-Initiative4195 t1_j2bjzi0 wrote
They're a food service establishment - the same laws and policies apply
Little_Elephant_5757 t1_j2beebs wrote
When they serve food
DoodMonkey t1_j2bikzm wrote
Is a food truck a restaurant? Again, asking for a friend.
Little_Elephant_5757 t1_j2bj7wx wrote
Dude, why are you questioning me like I made the rules? Go talk to the health dept or something
DoodMonkey t1_j2fh6tr wrote
Because you're an idiot who doesn't understand food prep, dogs, the outside, real life, and civil discourse.
No-Initiative4195 t1_j2bk3mi wrote
Do you bring the dog INSIDE the truck?
Ok_Wealth_7711 t1_j2c4faa wrote
You have some weird ass friends then
DoodMonkey t1_j2fgxdi wrote
Duh, they're from Boston.
TaffyLee__Fubbins t1_j27nixp wrote
It is illegal for animals that are not service animals to be inside establishments that sell food made on the premises. Businesses can get in a lot of trouble.
And no, I donât want someoneâs dog barking at me while Iâm waiting for my coffee - signed a dog lover who only brings my dog places she is allowed to be.
Squish_the_android t1_j27bupf wrote
I'm 100% a dog person, but there should be no animals inside restaurants. (Exceptions for actual service animals)
That Tate manager was totally right.
DeffNotTom t1_j27ceeo wrote
But how do you know whether or not it's an actual service animal? Do you think your average barista is qualified to make that determination? Should disabled people have to justify their service animal's existence to an 18 year old cashier every time they walk into a business? Like.. I get your point, but in practice, how do you enforce that?
coldsnap123 t1_j27d23x wrote
Because the dog will be wearing a vest that says service animal. Also, working dogs do not behave like pets.
ijustlikebeingnosy t1_j28rzd3 wrote
Wearing a vest is not a requirement.
coldsnap123 t1_j28ucaa wrote
It should be.
ijustlikebeingnosy t1_j28uqrw wrote
No it shouldnât.
coldsnap123 t1_j28vdq3 wrote
Thereâs no good reason to why it shouldnât be mandatory. Thatâs just an open invitation to the world to mess with a working dog.
ijustlikebeingnosy t1_j28wg03 wrote
Plenty of reasons why it shouldnât. And no one should be messing with anyoneâs dog.
ETA: I think itâs comical the downvoting when I said no one should mess with anyoneâs dog.
coldsnap123 t1_j28wp7o wrote
That may be true, but theyâre not good enough reasons.
ijustlikebeingnosy t1_j28zhil wrote
In your personal opinion.
TaffyLee__Fubbins t1_j27n5zh wrote
This is not true. Service dogs are not required to wear any identification.
Dontleave t1_j28nhe0 wrote
Then if you donât want them to west a vest be prepared to answer 2 questions about the dog.
TaffyLee__Fubbins t1_j29cz9j wrote
I donât have a service dog so my dog does not come with me places. But yeah, the questions are fine. Actually most of the people Iâve seen with fake service dogs have a vest and a fake certificate. Lol. Most real service dogs I know donât have a vest. They just do their job quietly and politely.
TaffyLee__Fubbins t1_j29d0zr wrote
A vest doesnât prevent questions.
coldsnap123 t1_j28ub8o wrote
They should.
TaffyLee__Fubbins t1_j29dc2v wrote
Write to the ADA then because the only current âdocumentationâ you can get is through scams and I know a lot of shit people with fake service dogs who have these bullshit certificates and vests they bought off Etsy. There is no valid/official certification or gear to prove you have a real service dog and arenât just trying to bring your pet to the coffee shop.
DeffNotTom t1_j27e6l3 wrote
I work in a hospital with disabled veterans, I see service dogs on a near daily basis. They don't have to wear a vest or any other identifying tags, and many people choose not to use them because of they don't want to advertise that they're disabled any more than they have to. Also, depending on what kind of task the service animal provides, they can, and do, still act like pets. And there are plenty of pet dogs who are highly trained and well behaved. There are no hard fast rules for service animal's other than being trained to perform a task(s) for a disabled person.
BeyondLions t1_j27kayp wrote
This is just false. My mom has a service dog that she had trained through TADSAW (Train a Dog, Save A Warrior) and the dog needs to focus on his/her task when âworkingâ. And while service dogs can be all shapes and sizes, they must be distinguishable as a service animal, and theyâre also required to have a certificate on them certifying theyâre a service dog.
The issue is that the way the ADA is written prevents businesses from able to verify itâs a service dog, the only questions theyâre allowed to ask is âIs this a service animalâ and âWhat tasks are they trained to perform?â, so a lot of people bring their personal pet in and just lie because we canât ask for certification.
TaffyLee__Fubbins t1_j27n9qs wrote
No, THIS is false. There is no certificate - all the ones online are scams to steal your money. And there is no requirement for identification.
Businesses can ask two questions - is this a service dog? And what tasks are they trained to perform?
Darklighter10 t1_j282evz wrote
Sorry man, pretty much all of what you just said is false, and easily fact checked as such.
ijustlikebeingnosy t1_j28s5mf wrote
All of this is false. There is no certification required. Know your facts before you spew.
DeffNotTom t1_j27n4hs wrote
Most of what you just said was entirely wrong. But thanks to someone else telling me I was wrong, I already have the page pulled up. From the ADA website
"Q5. Does the ADA require service animals to be professionally trained?
A. No. People with disabilities have the right to train the dog themselves and are not required to use a professional service dog training program.
Q8. Do service animals have to wear a vest or patch or special harness identifying them as service animals?
A. No. The ADA does not require service animals to wear a vest, ID tag, or specific harness.
Q17. Does the ADA require that service animals be certified as service animals?
A. No. Covered entities may not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal, as a condition for entry.
There are individuals and organizations that sell service animal certification or registration documents online. These documents do not convey any rights under the ADA and the Department of Justice does not recognize them as proof that the dog is a service animal."
https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/
I agree, people skirt the law. That is literally my point. The law is nearly unenforceable because protecting the rights of disabled people is the more important issue. I'd rather have solid protection for disabled people's rights, even if that means people abuse that protection to beat other laws.
Acceptable_Tourist_4 t1_j27e71v wrote
The ADA has specific questions that are appropriate to be asked if a business is trying to determine if an animal is a service animal. These questions are designed to protect the privacy and dignity of the disabled, and anyone with a service animal is well aware of these questions, and how to answer them.
Those questions are: Is your dog a service animal trained to assist with a disability? (And) What work or task is the animal trained to perform?â
As mentioned disabled people are well rehearsed in these questions, and others will look like a deer caught in the headlight as they try to stammer out answers. Even if someone confidently said âitâs trained to comfort me if/when I panicâ, the answer is No because even emotional support animals are not recognized under the ADA guidelines.
DeffNotTom t1_j27evu3 wrote
"it's trained to comfort me when I panic" can be 100% valid under the ADA. If the dog/animal is trained to recognize panic attacks, anxiety, whatever, and trained for a specific response that mitigates that, they qualify.
Acceptable_Tourist_4 t1_j27f8ty wrote
Itâs not an opinion, itâs not a gray area, emotional support animals are not recognized by the ADA as service animals and donât need to be accommodated as such. Donât be a contrarian just to make a point. It is what it is.
DeffNotTom t1_j27fhnw wrote
You're right. It's not a gray area. Psychiatric service animal's are separate from emotional support animals. If they can identify a mental health disability, and are trained to perform a task, they are protected under the ADA. That includes anxiety/panic attacks. This isn't an opinion. That is the law. I'm sure it's on the ADA website somewhere.
Acceptable_Tourist_4 t1_j27fyk1 wrote
DeffNotTom t1_j27gf9r wrote
Question 4
Q4. If someone's dog calms them when having an anxiety attack, does this qualify it as a service animal?
A. It depends. The ADA makes a distinction between psychiatric service animals and emotional support animals. If the dog has been trained to sense that an anxiety attack is about to happen and take a specific action to help avoid the attack or lessen its impact, that would qualify as a service animal. However, if the dogâs mere presence provides comfort, that would not be considered a service animal under the ADA.
https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/
I'm not being contrarian for the fuck of it. The law is unenforceable because ADA protections are pretty bomb proof. The penalty risk of violating someone's disability rights generally outweighs the risk of some annoyed customers.
I know a veteran who carries a Yorkie in a purse. It's trained in epileptic and low blood sugar alert. Turns out Yorkies as a breed are REALLY good at it. A business owner could lose their whole livelihood by making an assumption about his dog.
SpindriftRascal t1_j28jzxg wrote
âA business owner could lose their whole livelihoodâŠ.â
Only if the person with the dog overreacts, like those people who randomly go around suing over ADA compliance even when they have no intention of ever using the business. Being disabled doesnât mean you have to be an asshole.
DeffNotTom t1_j28rcsj wrote
Don't discriminate against disabled people and you won't get sued đ€·đ»ââïž
SpindriftRascal t1_j28sb28 wrote
Itâs not that simple. There are people who make careers out of looking for ADA violations and suing. If they really cared about the issue itself, theyâd discuss it first and try to get it remedied. Anyone who doesnât try that is an asshole.
DeffNotTom t1_j28u7xv wrote
Ah yes. It should be up to disabled people to offer free ADA consulting to businesses discriminating against them. I see your point.
SpindriftRascal t1_j28v57o wrote
No, you donât. Iâm talking about people who donât even try to use the business. They just go around as self-appointed ADA inspectors. They havenât been victimized. Theyâre just assholes, rent-seeking.
DeffNotTom t1_j28woul wrote
Right. You don't think those people should be doing it because you believe they haven't been victimized. You want disabled people who have been victimized to do the heavy lifting.. What is it about your argument that you think I'm misinterpreting?
SpindriftRascal t1_j29ex42 wrote
I think people shouldnât victimize each other. I think this means if someone victimizes a disabled person, itâs reasonable to make them pay for it. I think it is unreasonable to make random unassociated businesses pay for it, because that turns them into the victim.
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Squish_the_android t1_j27d7s4 wrote
Leave it up to the managers.
They can ask:
Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and what work or task has the dog been trained to perform?
If the dog misbehaves at all they can be asked to leave even if it is a service animal.
Just because a rule is difficult to enforce doesn't mean we should just throw out the rule.
DeffNotTom t1_j27epi7 wrote
Two questions that are easy to lie about, and most people don't bring misbehaving dogs into businesses. So what you're saying is, if you can lie, and your dog listens, it's good? I mean, I do agree, if someone has a shitty dog, make them leave. But outside of that, it's pretty much unenforceable.
Darklighter10 t1_j27jd51 wrote
Itâs mostly honor system, but businesses are allowed to ask what the dogs trained purpose is. Even still, no one has to âproveâ it, which is why fake service animals is such a problem.
However, I think there is a general misconception. Purely âemotional supportâ animals are NOT service animals, and do not have the same freedoms of entry.
Map3620 t1_j27hok9 wrote
We have two dogs that we love but we are also aware theyâre no welcomed everywhere. People need to stop bringing their dogs to places they are unwelcome like restaurants groceries stores unless theyâre true service animals.
VicVinegar88 t1_j27aq8c wrote
I love dogs but they can stay outside or at home
iBarber111 t1_j27h2bq wrote
Dog owners have become mighty entitled over the last decade or so. You see dogs in places - grocery stores, coffee shops, restaurants - that you used to very rarely see one.
I don't want dogs in places where food is served. Some people seem to think that makes me a dog-hater. It doesn't. Dogs have plenty of places they CAN be.
You're the one that chose the responsibility of owning a dog & the restrictions that come with it. If you can't make it to the grocery store without your dog in tow, just don't go.
ohhowexciting t1_j296rbn wrote
I'll double down on your last sentence and extend beyond food establishments. Have seen off leash dogs at Lowes and Home Depot. Just why?
I have no allergies or anything against dogs. We had them growing up and they stayed at home for errands. It's the principle of entitlement that gets me, like people think the rules must not apply to them or they just don't care. It's like fire lane parkers cause they'll "just be a minute, running in for something real quick." Oh you mean like literally everyone fucking else in the store?
Emperor-Awesome t1_j28unvb wrote
I work with a guy who shits without washing his hands, but somehow he's allowed in food buildings.
cotecoyotegrrrl t1_j27z8re wrote
It is a violation of the Massachusetts health code to bring non-service animals into anyplace indoors that serves food or beverages. Some places will bend that rule to also allow well behaved support animals.
Also - While a person does not have to provide proof that their dog is actually a service animal, the service dog needs to be trained to sit or lay quietly on the floor next to their person (and be completely housebroken) when they are not performing whatever tasks/service they do for that person.
CaptainWollaston t1_j28oite wrote
What about breweries? They seem to be packed with dogs. Is there an exception somehow for places that make their beer on premises?
hyperside89 t1_j297wl4 wrote
My understanding about how breweries get around this, and I could be wrong, is the ones that allow dogs do not prepare or serve food on the premises. Drinks yes, food no. Some have food trucks that serve food, but that's not on premises. Little bit of a legal loop hole.
hebrewer13 t1_j297of4 wrote
The law just covers food prepared on premise one of the few loopholes in the law that actually benefit small breweries.
This is likely because the brewing process (pH level of the final product, boiling for 60 mins etc.) and the packaging process have steps that would mitigate any health issues caused by typical pet contamination. Food preparation, does not provide that same level of guarantee.
Stronkowski t1_j29i02z wrote
Whenever I see dogs at breweries they are outside in the patio section instead of inside.
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Obi-Ron42 t1_j294mf2 wrote
I would 100% rather someone bring their dog to a brewery than their children
DoodMonkey t1_j2bc4ez wrote
Hold on! I got covid from so many dogs it's not funny. No wait.... that didn't happen.
Borkton t1_j28ugpt wrote
Well, in JP it's a law you have to adopt a dog from the MSPCA if you live there for more than two years.
DoodMonkey t1_j2bc8n5 wrote
That's a good law. They always have so many cute pups
DeffNotTom t1_j28ro97 wrote
Nah, no exception, but anecdotally, people that hang out in bars care less than people who hang out in coffee shopsm
cotecoyotegrrrl t1_j29ns4o wrote
I've seen dogs outside in brewery beer gardens, but not inside in tap-rooms - and definitely not in brew pubs that also have a food kitchen.
Emperor-Awesome t1_j28u19x wrote
It's also a crime to smoke on the common, but fuck the puritans, that shit is ridiculous.
RockHockey t1_j27e8ev wrote
YTA: Get your dog the fuck out of tatteâŠ
freshkicksss t1_j280p0f wrote
I donât want animals in any establishment where I eat, drink or shop
TakenOverByBots t1_j27fclh wrote
It's an actual health code violation. Just because some restaurants seem to ignore this, the ones that don't shouldn't be vilified. If the health inspector makes a surprise visit, you're getting shut down or at least fined.
Darklighter10 t1_j27k3br wrote
They have to allow âservice animalsâ into any space where food isnât being directly prepared, including the dining area, or at the counter. I would prefer not to have animals myself in a restaurant, but if it meets that criteria it is not a violation.
TakenOverByBots t1_j28q3q0 wrote
Well obviously service animals are the exception. A service animal is also far less likely to pee all.ovee the floor. And yes, I actually saw a dog do that recently. It was disgusting.
Darklighter10 t1_j28qrbg wrote
Not so obvious if other comments here are any indication lol. Apparently still not obvious to a lot of people since my comment stating only fact was downvoted
TakenOverByBots t1_j297pv6 wrote
I'm not sure what that was about, unless it was because you put service animals in quotes, as if they weren't a real thing? I didn't interpret that way though.
Darklighter10 t1_j2cotve wrote
Oh, maybe. I put it in quotes because itâs an official, defined term lolđ€Šđ€Šđ€Šđ€Š
At any rate, sorry, didnât mean to state the obvious directly to you with that post either
No_Judge_3817 t1_j27a7qr wrote
Nope
Great-Egret t1_j27mclq wrote
I like dogs, but they are animals and most pet caregivers donât bother to invest in meaningful training. Pets need to stay home.
lqdizzle t1_j29651z wrote
Itâs against code. Until itâs not itâs pretty crazy for people to have an opinion about it or ask for an exception. The store doesnât have any more discretion than they do to allow a 19 year old to drink. Itâs pretty disrespectful to ask someone to do a favor they arenât permitted to do.
I prefer not having animals in a food environment personally but from a rule standpoint just let customers and owners dictate that.
caio2u2 t1_j27blt1 wrote
They can stay home
AJSopranosEyebrows t1_j291ove wrote
No. Gross. I'm sick of all your dogs anyway, let me have coffee in shitless barkless peace
BeyondLions t1_j27kuyq wrote
As a retail worker, I hate when people bring in their pets to the store. Like why? Service animals are obviously an exception, but some folks will bring their dogs to the store in the summer or straight up leave them in their car. There is no need to bring your pet into a store. Period. Iâve had to clean up after pets because sometimes a dog just wants to mark somewhere, or the person didnât make sure they went to the bathroom before hand. Leave your pets at home when you come shopping!
feidle t1_j28nmjj wrote
Hate them. People have allergies, itâs disrespectful and unsanitary. No one wants a strangerâs dog huffing their leg when theyâre trying to eat breakfast.
Emperor-Awesome t1_j28ufxn wrote
Many people love a stranger's dog huffing their leg at breakfast.
DeffNotTom t1_j28s1em wrote
A strangers dog can always huff my leg. Idc if I'm at a a breakfast table, a urinal, or being wheeled into an ambulance.
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j290wgr wrote
There's probably people who don't mind a bar where people can smoke inside too. Like you not minding random dogs, their tolerance of that is irrelevant.
pillbinge t1_j27lbfn wrote
They're either not a nuisance and cute to look at or they present danger. That danger can also be to small children who aren't prepared to deal with a dog, or know how to be around one. It will never be the child's fault in that case because they have priority over the dog.
I've owned dogs before and I just cannot fathom even being audacious enough to ask if a dog can come in. It's dumb. The dog probably doesn't even want to be there. They hate new places with new people and people getting close. Things can only go wrong or normally, not better.
So people just need to keep them out. I'm not going to speak up though because it doesn't bother me.
Slowpoke00 t1_j28ooc0 wrote
I'm way more annoyed by the people that bring their screaming and crying small children into a restaurant and let them run around like its playground.
pillbinge t1_j2989vi wrote
You can be annoyed by both. You don't have to pick one.
queenvictoria19 t1_j28v33a wrote
Gross
TheTr7nity t1_j27vlky wrote
No! Dogs shouldnât be allowed in coffee shops.
Visible-Education-98 t1_j27qs2q wrote
Let me guess, you were the one with the dog in Tatte?
SpindriftRascal t1_j28j8r3 wrote
Dogs should not be in restaurants. We all love dogs, but they shouldnât just go everywhere with their owners. Establishment managers should be polite about this, but also firm.
G2KY t1_j27u8d4 wrote
I am not OK with dogs in coffeeshops. I have terrible dogphobia and I faint/have panic attack when I see any type of dog in an enclosed space. I stopped going to parks/breweries all together due to unleashed and untrained dogs. I am no OK with them being in coffeeshops, too.
DamonsBloodBank t1_j29d60u wrote
Health codes violations.
Some dogs arenât trained.
Iâm sure this manager had a dog bite someone on property more than once to have those strict rules.
Total-Subject-3747 t1_j29b7gs wrote
Emotional Support animals have made navigating for those with actual service dogs very difficult. I have two dogs- they are trained, on leash when they are not in our yard and I don't pretend they are children so they don't come into coffee shops, restaurants, or grocery stores. I love them beyond measure, but I don't break rules or laws and I don't pretend if they jump on an unsuspecting stranger trying to walk in the park that its no big deal, they are just being 'friendly'. People should feel free to walk dogs in strollers, put them in outfits, whatever makes you happy- but don't be mad when the law is what it is, or that every stranger you meet doesn't want your mouthy bouncy dog jumping on them with muddy paws. Rant over. Thankyou for coming to my Tedtalk.
BasilExposition75 t1_j27aqjj wrote
Unless it is a seeing eye dog (not an emotional support animal) it has no business is a place where I eat
TotallyNotACatReally t1_j27b5zb wrote
There are other reasons to have a service animal, FYI.
Emperor-Awesome t1_j28usv5 wrote
Hm. Seems like a cat.
BasilExposition75 t1_j28wewe wrote
I see a lot of people get around no dog laws by seeing a doctor and getting their dog listed as medically necessary.
TotallyNotACatReally t1_j290vet wrote
Okay? That doesn't change the fact that someone doesn't have to be vision impaired for their animal to be an actual service dog; service animals can be trained to perform many different things for folks. Emotional support animals are an entirely different thing, and unrelated to my point.
DeffNotTom t1_j27cix9 wrote
I'll let my buddy know his seizure alert dog isn't valid enough for you.
zz23ke t1_j27aygx wrote
No sir I don't like it. Cats only
johnjaspers1965 t1_j27bqq2 wrote
Lol. Cats drink tea. Dogs drink coffee.
riski_click t1_j28jhjc wrote
grabs popcorn
queenvictoria19 t1_j28vc8k wrote
I feel like we had this discussion like 4 months ago lol
goldmanSK t1_j27onhz wrote
No
Honeywife20445 t1_j294rnx wrote
Would I love to bring my dog everywhere? Yes. Do I bring my dog everywhere? No: not everyone wants to be around my dog whether itâs legal or not.
Quincyperson t1_j2a427f wrote
âThe customerâ was disrespectful to the establishment by disregarding well known health codes. Stop bringing your dog into places they arenât supposed to be.
Vivid_Character_4822 t1_j2ay1hv wrote
Dogs belong in the backyard or parks or chilling on their own couches I love them but there your dogs not the publicâs
eburton555 t1_j2azz0s wrote
This is gonna come off the wrong way but fuck it. People are way too entitled and addicted to bringing their dogs everywhere. I love dogs and Iâve always had them around but since when did it become so normalized to bring your dogs around food? When did it become normal to have them strolling about taking a piss in star market? They donât literally need to go everywhere nor should they. And the reaction when someone confronts them is almost always incredulous - like there arenât laws, health codes, and common courtesy. Dogs are lovely fluffy creatures who are also pretty dirty and gross and people can be deathly allergic or msg be seriously freaked out by them. And donât get me started on the lax leashing in MA. Makes me sick to see dogs getting into avoidable fights, running into traffic, or lost on trails in the woods while their owners are fucking off taking selfies somewhere. We need to grow up and be better to our dogs and more courteous to each other
PikantnySos t1_j2bqbnd wrote
Unless its a service dog or its a wide open place like an outdoor beer garden, its pretty obnoxious to bring your dog
drkr731 t1_j28s64a wrote
I think itâs technically illegal for them to be there. But I personally donât care if a well behaved dog is inside, especially when someone is just stopping in for 3 minutes to grab a coffee and then heading out.
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Financial_Cancel1577 t1_j29aygt wrote
I would absolutely love to have dogs in shops and cafes. It's against the law for very good reasons, so I'm fine with the staff insisting they can't come in. No one wants to trigger a health inspection or lose a license.
Edit to add: there is no such thing as "proof" that an animal is a service animal. You take people at their word, the end.
jackrat27 t1_j2adlot wrote
GOOD
troccolins t1_j2b5pcr wrote
I'm pretty sick of dog walkers on sidewalks as it is especially as I'm running; they tend to make no effort to pull the dog if they get too close, and they're happy to just leave dog poop everywhere. It's straight up dangerous at times if there's snow or leftover rain on the ground
likezoinksscooby t1_j2bg8al wrote
As a huge dog person, dogs/animals are not allowed in any establishment that serves food. If you want to bring your dog out the best place is probably a local brewery since they donât have food. The manager was literally just following basic health codes
Itchy-Marionberry-62 t1_j2bnaym wrote
Love to see Dogs! â€ïž
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granolasloot t1_j2bzghp wrote
Totally disagree with small dogs in any public places because theyâre always mad aggressive towards my dog. I have a black lab and Iâd love more coffee shops that allowed her because honestly all she wants is to be pet by people. Sheâs so friendly
Borkton t1_j28u9w0 wrote
Depends on how the dog is behaving -- and if anyone has allergies
prochal t1_j2a3w13 wrote
Boston isnât dog friendly enough
cozy_goth t1_j2ax0ij wrote
Seriously, I'm not from here and there's a lot that I don't get. Before moving here, I lived in the most dog-friendly neighborhood. Too bad I needed the work and public transit out here. Boston is boring AF.
Emperor-Awesome t1_j2arai9 wrote
As Reddit is all-autistic, I have made the following observation: autistic people don't like dogs.
ExpressiveLemur t1_j2c0hxy wrote
You're on Reddit.
cozy_goth t1_j2avwh2 wrote
It's cool if that's the rules of that cafe, especially if they're at a sidewalk table outside. I used to take my dog to work and then take him into the cafe and get him a cookie from the cashier. Everything was chill, and the owner had photos of regulars' dogs on the wall.
ETA: My experience with dogs in cafes was in a different state.
DoodMonkey t1_j2bbesb wrote
I was just talking about this exact same thing with my fiancé. In a lot of Europe, bringing your dog to the café, or local market with seats outside it's incredibly common. Granted, most folks don't have big dogs like we do in the US, but still, they bring their pup. I miss places that actually have culture with people who communicate.
detentionbarn t1_j2d7p7d wrote
The fiance? Not your wife to whom you gave a lame video game for Xmas?
DeffNotTom t1_j27atct wrote
I'm allergic to dogs. Being close to one, especially indoors, can fuck my whole day up.
And I do not care. As long as they're under control, bring your dog in, who cares. I wouldn't want one in a sit down restaurant where I'm going to be sniffling by the time my entree gets there, but whatever. I wouldn't bitch about someone's seizure alert dog in a restaurant. So does it really matter?
Far more annoyed by people's children in public places than I am of dogs.
Darklighter10 t1_j27m709 wrote
I mean a lot of people care. I wouldnât bitch about someoneâs seizure alert dog in a restaurant either, but that doesnât mean itâs wrong to bitch about someone who just wants to bring their dog along just for the hell of it, right?
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Slowpoke00 t1_j29a4kn wrote
I'm not annoyed by dogs though, unless they are behaving like typical children.
Visible-Education-98 t1_j27q1u5 wrote
Gotta wonder about these people hating on children. You all sound like such wonderful people!
detentionbarn t1_j28aw3n wrote
I agree. It's starter-pack level whataboutism.
GM_Pax t1_j27btwg wrote
Private property, and as long as the dog is not a service animal, it is entirely at the discretion of the property owner, or their designated representative (see: manager) whether or not dogs (cats, birds, iguana, whatever) are welcome or unwelcome.
Acceptable_Tourist_4 t1_j27ccdg wrote
Itâs not up to the owner if they serve food in Boston. Itâs against regulation and they can get shut down for it.
kt8781 t1_j27dvy6 wrote
Iâd rather be around dogs than kids to be honest
Great-Egret t1_j27m3w5 wrote
Ohh, hating kids, youâre sooo cool.
kt8781 t1_j27mgx7 wrote
I don't hate kids.. and I'm not that cool too, to be honest.
detentionbarn t1_j28at3q wrote
Right out of the dog vs. kids starter pack.
happyredapple t1_j27caq1 wrote
idrc as long as they are under control, i seen worse human kids
Great-Egret t1_j27lz7a wrote
Iâve seen a full on fight break out between âniceâ dogs in a cafe that resulted in injury, so no kids are not worse. Why do people need to bring children into this? Itâs pathetic.
kt8781 t1_j27njvt wrote
Have you been on a plane with kids? I've been on a plane with a golden retriever that behaves better than kids. Considering that you're triggered by this comment, you have kids no?
SugarRushSlt t1_j283gis wrote
People generally can't leave their kids home alone in a crate or on the couch with a bowl full of food for a few hours. I can see a situation in which a parent has no other choice but to bring their child with them somewhere. Take anecdotes as you will but I was once that child being carted around because my single mother struggled to afford the necessities, let alone a baby sitter 7 days a week. I can't see a situation in which someone HAS to bring their pet, not service animal, to the grocery store or a cafe.
detentionbarn t1_j28akxx wrote
just stop your conflation attempt, it's old weak sauce
AJSopranosEyebrows t1_j29ul4z wrote
Human kids keep their shit in their pants and aren't covered in fur
sdcrag t1_j27rpzf wrote
I get why restaurants dont allow dogs. Mainly health code reasons.
The exception is service animals. Which are still animals.
You can obtain "service animal" papers for $50 online. Correct me if I am wrong, this extends to emotional support animals as well.
I have witnessed staff at restaurants (either exhausted from the exchange, or acting on ignorance) honor these papers/doctors orders
I get both sides of the argument. I could keep going on the legality and liability of why animals should, or should not be present in restaurants. Rules are rules, and so on. Most places arent complete dicks about walking your dog in for a cup of coffee or a sandwich. Some are. But the thing is, we all have a boss to answer to.
The thing is, however... The city is litterally infested with rodents. Chances are, some sort of animal has been in your local dining establishment. My personal feeling is, a dog passing through is the least of your worries.
P.S The north end has the worst rat problem in the entire city. Old construction, coupled with a strong concentration of food
DeffNotTom t1_j27sjgz wrote
There's no such thing as service animal papers. It's all a large scam industry. The ADA and the federal government do not require any kind of certificate and they don't recognize any of them.
cotecoyotegrrrl t1_j292uks wrote
The difference between an emotional support animal and a service animal is that service animals are trained to perform tasks to aid their person, as well as being obedience trained, while emotional support animals are just help their person cope with being out in the world but don't necessarily have any real training
Even though service animals are allowed everywhere, business owners can ask them to leave if they are not well obedience trained, and are causing problems
Borkton t1_j28uo9b wrote
Those are my emotional support rats
Little_Elephant_5757 t1_j27c17z wrote
I think itâs illegal for pets to be in restaurants unless itâs a service animal. I donât think itâs about Tatte being âdog friendlyâ or not. I think theyâre just following the law