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gonzo8927 t1_j7fug0d wrote

Why is Greece such an outlier in their sentiment twords the jews?

Edit: why does Greece hate everyone?

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Udzu OP t1_j7fvyg8 wrote

My theory is that Greeks mainly hate pollsters.

That said, the numbers are both down over a similar poll in 2016 (three years before).

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filterface t1_j7gitts wrote

Well now I’m intrigued, if you’re being serious

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Udzu OP t1_j7glwmi wrote

First comment was semi in jest. Though these sort of numbers are culturally dependent and not that easy to compare: what people say and how they act don't always align.

The second comment is true (in fact the 2016 numbers were recently posted on mapporn which is what gave me the idea to do this).

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filterface t1_j7gou6a wrote

Are there other polls you've looked at where Greeks choose the "cranky" (for lack of a better term) option?

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Gnarf_1 t1_j7fvx0x wrote

Poland and Slovakia are way ahead...

Edit: Thank you all for the downvotes.

I'm not racist. I was just stating that they are outliers in this chart and that they are obviously against other people, whom might be different of any kind.

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Frank9567 t1_j7i1dl8 wrote

Both of these countries are devoutly religious.

I suspect they don't like atheists and other Christian denominations as well.

The real question is whether and by how much more they dislike Jews and Muslims than they dislike atheists and other Christian denominations.

I suspect this might also be the case for Greece.

Just a suspicion. I am happy to be corrected by anyone who has better information.

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Gnarf_1 t1_j7ipquf wrote

That's what I meant... but I wrote it different, which sounded a tad bit racist in retrospect.

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patienceisfun2018 t1_j7fp3n6 wrote

I would have swapped the axes

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Benediktas t1_j7fvlu0 wrote

Since Y axis is in log, such swap would make this graph unreadable

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TheBrain85 t1_j7fymn9 wrote

The log-scale is also a silly choice for this data

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Beavshak t1_j7fpe3j wrote

Is Poland (sorry gross generalization, not sure how else to ask) generally xenophobic? Or is religion the most significant factor?

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FuehrerStoleMyBike t1_j7fsexs wrote

I think its part the stronghold of religion and part the lack of confrontation. Fear (and nothing else is having a negative view onto a whole group of people) is mostly not rational and comes from a lack of knowledge. The more you dont know the more you can potentially fear.

Also I think religion is a particular interesting subject since those 3 religions (Islam, Judaism and Christianity) are siblings and much more simular than different when compared to other big religions such as Buddhism or Hinduism. It is well established that familiarity may lead to animosity. In most murder cases a family member is the culprit. Or look at Harry and William - the british princes etc.

So in the end I think its a mixture of closeness and strageness. Close enough to be involved with each other but too distant to be united.

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skywalker_g t1_j7fyl0a wrote

Yes. As Pole I can confirm, that in here people are very often afraid of what they don't know. It's just due to historical experience for last 250 years when politically and socially we have had unwanted superiors. Like after ww2 communists from russia who have done everything to society to be afraid of nearest neighbours, friends and family.

Poland is historically one of few countries that allowed since middle ages Jews Muslims and all various Christians live on it's lands and have equal or almost equal rights. Poland had elections for the king since XVI century so it was some kind of democracy.

We were very liberal I think, and that was something that our imperialistic neighbours used to conflict the nation in XVIII and take our lands.

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drquaithe t1_j7h8049 wrote

Calling a disfunctional nobles' oligarchy a "democracy" is a helluva take. It actually led to more and more inequality and there was literal slavery of the noble class over peasants ("pańszczyzna"). They OWNED them and had the right of life or death over them.

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drquaithe t1_j7h783a wrote

There's a lot of latent xenophobia. I grew up as one of the few kids in Poland with an obviously Jewish name and it was all kinds of awful, especially coming from a few teachers. Although younger generations are way better.

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SunnyDayInPoland t1_j7i8azv wrote

I'd say religion is the most significant factor, but not because we dislike people who follow other religions than us. It's more that the news in our media about the followers of these religions is generally negative (and has been for some time now).

Even Polish atheists would probably dislike Muslims/Jews more on average than atheists in other European countries, so it's not a case of hating all other religions, more that hardly anyone has anything positive to say about these religions (both in the media and in daily life).

And as you can see from the chart, there aren't many Muslims/Jews in Poland, so not enough people to disprove unfair stereotypes / fight or defend against racism.

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FrozMind t1_j7jtb6x wrote

If you ask Poles about attitude toward Polish people you still can get significant negative value. But that's fine, since hating Polish people is not considered racist (or something wrong), regardless if you're one or not.

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Plastic_Sl t1_j7tbn5l wrote

You could ask Polish people in Poland if they hate Poles and you’d still likely get 40% of the population having a negative opinion on them.

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Efficient-Radish8243 t1_j7g3sv8 wrote

I’d be interested if anti-Israel sentiment was closely correlated with negative views of Judaism on the whole or if it’s significantly different

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Lanky_Fella t1_j7js6j0 wrote

I honestly don’t think there is much correlation. The anti-zionist communities I know are some of the most kind towards Jewish people that I’ve been involved in

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Upstairs-Security-66 t1_j7judx5 wrote

Sorry this is a load of shit. You can't be kind to us but deny us right to self determination and statehood in our historical homeland (which is what Zionism is). This post is silly gaslighting.

Antizionizm is very frequently thinly veiled antisemitism.

Critisim of Israel is also not antizionizm or antisemitism.

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one8e4 t1_j7g9irr wrote

Unless the poll is conducted anonymously, wouldn't believe any poll result.

These type of polls really need to be conducted in a drop a questionnaire in a random box without any personal details included.

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InsuranceToTheRescue t1_j7h81h5 wrote

Is it an issue that one axis is logarithmic and the other is linear? I don't have much experience with mixing scales.

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SilverDem0n t1_j7i0znj wrote

No issue, it's fine to do that, and often helpful to characterize the relationship between the variables. As long as the scales are clearly labelled, that is.

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starstreek t1_j7ijfxz wrote

i know for a fact our eyes all ran to germany

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Ok_Access_6702 t1_j7ne6co wrote

I guess I'm presumed to recognize all these flags, but I don't.

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ekkiren t1_j7if4co wrote

Where muslims and jews polled as well?

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Udzu OP t1_j7jjxee wrote

European ones were, given this was a European survey. (Though given Europe managed to murder most of its Jewish population I expect there weren't many Jews among the respondents.)

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ekkiren t1_j7m3uup wrote

Only countries that hadn't already expelled them before did that, that's not many.

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KrtekMcCtvrtek t1_j7kg9h4 wrote

I imagine this result is reflected by the population surveyed... If 10% is say Muslim, and that 10% is a part of the poll, it would reflect on having a lower negative opinion of itself...

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ComplexInflation6814 t1_j7l03pb wrote

Does this account for the proportion of population that is X being certain to have positive views about people who are X? Because that's a rather important adjustment to make, before drawing any correlation to general public attitudes!

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Udzu OP t1_j7latvl wrote

Even if you assume that all Muslims have positive views about Muslims, the correlation in the graph still stands. Eg France would go from 22% anti-Muslim to 24% (and the countries lower down would barely change).

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Matwyen t1_j7ju3xl wrote

A shamed i wasn't in that study, I would have pumped these rookie numbers

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Aneeekkk t1_j7j1rc1 wrote

No chance there is so few jews in Poland

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GranPino t1_j7jxckf wrote

Maybe something happened around 80 years ago. Just a hunch

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[deleted] t1_j7j1u1e wrote

All the Jews left Europe after ww2 for a reason lol
edit: you can downvote me but its true

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EmeraldHawk t1_j7fwjq6 wrote

Admitting my ignorance but I'm not a fan of flag guessing game graphs like this. I don't have every European flag memorized, especially Poland.

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PureHostility t1_j7i80vy wrote

Don't get me wrong but isn't it one of the best cases of "it's your problem"?

Graph is easily understandable, lack of your geographical knowledge doesn't make it any worse and is actually more easily read on the first glance than say balls filled with text or specific colours with a textual legend.

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Udzu OP t1_j7fxluo wrote

Fair point. I'm still experimenting with this type of graphing. I might try using circular flags (more accurate as points) with either the full country name or an abbreviation.

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