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westbywestbywest t1_j8n0pea wrote

Reply to comment by heliosparrow in [OC] Beyoncé now holds the record for most Grammy wins by any artist by giteam

To some degree every band has a producer and sound engineer, but my honest belief is that if you look at the catalog of say Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Bruno Mars, etc, etc, that most of the songs were written and produced with no input at all from the people who eventually perform the music as their own.

Everyone knows this but we somehow can't talk about the fact that the "musicians" who are promoted in the mass media don't make their own music, they are given tracks and assigned songs based on brand fit.

And in case anyone things I am sounding like some conspiracy theorist, look up just Dr. Luke and Max Martin and see their discography, the two single handily made all pop music from 2000 to 2020.

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adirtybubble t1_j8obvxi wrote

Taylor swift is a writer on all of her songs. I’m not even a fan of hers but you are seriously exaggerating and picked bad examples of artists to chose. Saying they had no input at all is just insanely in accurate.

You are right about about Luke and Martin being extremely prolific pop writers who have worked with a ton of huge names .

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EbMinor33 t1_j8o2od7 wrote

> "musicians" who are promoted in the mass media don't make their own music, they are given tracks and assigned songs based on brand fit.

This is generally true (although variably so from artist to artist). However, I get annoyed that people act like this is a bad thing. Are we mad at the New York Philharmonic because they don't compose the music they perform? Of course not. Now of course, there's a greater level of transparency there, but who cares? Who cares if Bruno Mars writes his own music? He performs it well, and I like it. All there is to it.

And that certainly doesn't make them not musicians, so I take umbridge with your quotes.

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Csherman92 t1_j8pp1r6 wrote

All of Taylor Swift's music, has all been written by her. Taylor Swift has written or cowritten every song she has ever won a grammy for. You don't have to like her, but do NOT put her in the same camp as people who don't write their own songs.

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heliosparrow t1_j8tr9dl wrote

Fair enough, there are exceptions - I don't think the short comment was meant to imply "always and 100%.“ It's not every Grammy. An accomplished musician like Pat Metheny has been nominated 38 times. He's also won 10 Grammys in the jazz categories - these are rarely televised though! So, probably we could distinguish between the top, televised awards, and those lesser seen or known. It was brilliant to see Bonnie Raitt recently win for song of the year - which upset a lot of people.

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Nebardine t1_j8p1yyf wrote

Also that 90-some year old who died this week - Burt Bacharach. He had 70 top-40 hits over 7 decades.. I'd never heard his name before he died, but I knew a ton of his songs.

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