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pukabi t1_j9wllyg wrote

Reply to comment by Mushroom_Tip in [OC] How much territory Russia and Ukraine hold at one year of war by gridnews

Men in Ukraine pay a lot of money to be able to leave. They won’t show it on CNN. Those who are not reach enough are taken into meat grinder. This is first hand information. Ukraine force them to stay. Open the border and see what happens.

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Mushroom_Tip t1_j9wm84g wrote

It's first hand information your consumed on Pikabu :)

Sorry about Russia losing. Must hurt.

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pukabi t1_j9wn07c wrote

No I get information from Ukrainian people who managed to flee

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Mushroom_Tip t1_j9wndyo wrote

Hahahaha. Right.

Tell me which side needs a second line of soldiers to shoot retreating troops again? Which side needs Kadyrovites to scare soldiers into not retreating.

Weird how Ukraine can force people into a meat grinder against their will and yet there's no evidence of it.

Here's a tip: "Ukrainians" on Pikabu claiming they know the "real story" they don't tell on "CNN" are trolls.

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pukabi t1_j9wohh4 wrote

I am aware my opinion is not popular. And the information may be shocking to you. It’s your right to accept or deny it. You choose what to believe in. However it is not all black and white as many people see it. I don’t get info from pikabu - it is a politics free community. I do not reside in Russia. And people who fled Ukraine are friends of mine here. Im not going to lie- they don’t like Russia. But they don’t want to fight in this meaningless war either.

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Mushroom_Tip t1_j9wpbs5 wrote

So you know a couple people who fled Ukraine and don't want to fight and to you that is representative of the entire country?

There are plenty of Ukrainians who are just as susceptible to Russian propaganda. There are plenty who thought when Russia "liberated" their towns and villages that they would be treated kindly and respected. Until the purges.

I know someone from Donetsk who tells me about the horrors of what Russia did. Forcible conscription, disregard for local populace, etc. At least I understand that that is just simply anecdotal and in reality I can't draw an conclusion from that and say it must be most people in Donetsk must be anti-Russia. I don't know.

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