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TechWorker_AI_Maybe t1_j9ubswv wrote

Mexico has all the ingredients to be a top 5 player in the geopolitical arena. All they need is to clean up their government and from there, disband the cartels.


Havoc098 t1_j9xnqev wrote

I genuinely feel so sorry for Mexico. The world's biggest companies are looking to move manufacturing out of China and Mexico is right fucking there. It has so much going for it as the next hub of manufacturing but it won't happen due to the cartels/political system.


TheCarroll11 t1_j9x7zvi wrote

That requires a full civil war unfortunately. I think it’ll come in the next couple decades, and hopefully a really good democratic Mexico rises from it.


RareCodeMonkey t1_j9xb5kn wrote

>disband the cartels.

The end of the war against drugs will help with that. Make trade legal and cartels will stop having money to pay for its currently well funded criminals.


[deleted] t1_j9yp0cr wrote

Poor Mexico. So far from god, so close to the United States.


Enlightened-Beaver t1_ja4gxgr wrote

>disband the cartels

you make it sounds like it’s a walk in the park. The cartels are hyper-militarized, extremely wealthy, extremely violent, and have absolute power in the areas they control. If it was as easy as simply “disbanding” then it would have been done a long time ago.


TechWorker_AI_Maybe t1_ja4ugv5 wrote

Pretty sure I just summarized the high altitude way point, not give a detailed over view of the tasks needed to make it happen.


BassMaster516 t1_j9wzhcj wrote

Which countries have more freedoms per eagle than the others? You decide!

This is not data. This is garbage.


w0rldtorn t1_j9xi6iu wrote

For real. And on what fucking planet is the USA+Canada more democratic than Western Europe lmao


Ikkon t1_j9xylne wrote

According to Wikipedia Turkey is classified as Western Europe, which drags the region way down. The difference between NA and WE is still tiny, 8.37 and 8.36 respectively.


vwma t1_j9ybvj8 wrote

Not including Mexico in NA but Turkey in WE really tells you all you need to know about the data.


Henne1000 t1_j9zduph wrote

Turkey is the most Eastern European country probably except for Russia maybe?


shieldofsteel t1_j9ykvyw wrote

Even "Europe" is a stretch given most of their territory is in Asia, but Western Europe?? What are these guys on?


QUI-04 t1_ja04k5b wrote

You’re thinking about the other west, the one that’s not on the east of eastern europe


IceEngine21 t1_j9xwc8w wrote

Of course US is more democratic than EU! Look at all the democracy they provided in Iraq and Afghanistan 🤡


b1ue_jellybean t1_j9w2sy0 wrote

Bit of a weird way to do it, I’d say Oceania is more democratic than Latin America but that’s just been incorporated into Asia.


BadBunnyYonaguni t1_j9xkdzp wrote

The map is about “democratic emerging regions”. Don’t think Oceania would apply. Might be reading it wrong


LanewayRat t1_ja0s361 wrote

You are reading it wrong. It literally has the whole world there.


QUI-04 t1_ja04btp wrote

But there’re western europe and north america?


BadBunnyYonaguni t1_ja0ejh8 wrote

Yeah, but they aren’t emerging democracies. This post isn’t the best.

Also, many countries in LATAM have been democratic for longer than many countries in Europe. This map seems Eurocentric.


QUI-04 t1_ja23gyy wrote

Longer isn’t better (and wouldn’t be emerging democacies). I agree data seems messed up. My point was Oceania is included as Australasia and so are North America and Europe, my guess is for them been compared, but it still doesn’t make sense such comparison.


TeFD_Difficulthoon t1_j9w79pf wrote

I guess Canada is really carrying the North American team here.


zsaleeba t1_j9xyiyn wrote

And Australia/NZ are probably carrying the "Asia and Australasia" category.


RareCodeMonkey t1_j9xbhl3 wrote

Latin America has always had democratic aspirations. Interference by the USA government made that impossible. I hope that the USA realizes that having advanced democratic countries at its borders is better than to funnel money to insurgents or drug cartels.

A developed South would make the American continent a match for Asia.


latinometrics OP t1_j9uao1o wrote

LatAm (+ some Caribbean) is home to:

  • 3 “full democracies”
  • 9 “flawed democracies”
  • 8 “hybrid regimes”
  • 4 “authoritarian regimes.”

Essentially, a 50/50 split across the report's best two and worst two categories.

How long can the LatAm cling to its status as the world's most democratic emerging region?

Latin America's score has declined for 7 consecutive years, showing the biggest slip among all regions since 2008.

So, what's driving this decline? Lately, it's been three countries. Haiti, El Salvador, and Mexico showed the most significant score declines in the region in 2022.

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Source: EIU

Tools: Affinity designer, Rawgraphs


Intrepid_Lemon8526 t1_j9xlkn2 wrote

Umm Nicaragua has been following the path of Russia where many of the last election’s candidates were arrested on trumped up charges. Real elections haven’t been taking place and free speech is being restricted more and more.


domestic_omnom t1_j9wd3dy wrote

I always see these posts by you and it seems that Uruguay and Chile are always at the top of the metrics. Why is that? What makes Uruguay seemingly better than the rest of LatAm.


Lusatra t1_j9whkpn wrote

Uruguay has a very low corruption index, one the lowest in the world. Chile is also low, but not as much as Uruguay. That really helps a country to develop


domestic_omnom t1_j9whv41 wrote

Yes... But why is Uruguay like that when the neighboring countries are not.


arturocan t1_j9ww3sg wrote

For starters because Uruguay isn't its neighbours. Due small population everyone knows each other and you can't hide your dirty laundry effectively. Then the neighbours are swimming in rich resources with lots of possibilities to profit for being corrupt. So as result of being less resourcefull, less corrupt, and having more humble begginings with lots of struggle Uruguay developed its own identity and political culture making it a polar opposite on certaint aspects of his "brother" argentina, ending looking something like twins separated at birth.

This is skipping a lot of info but is an understandable summary.


xarsha_93 t1_j9yxtgw wrote

There are a few things playing in Uruguay's favor. One, it's tiny, it has a smaller population than the average capital city in Latin America, and two, most of the population stems from Europeans who came in the 20th century with investment money from Europe.

During the World Wars and whatnot, a lot of Latin America saw an influx of investment because Western Europe was a mess. Countries like Venezuela and Argentina also benefitted from that to varying extents, but Uruguay as a whole was completely changed by that process because the newcomers made up the majority of the population.

Buenos Aires underwent a similar process and if you took just Buenos Aires (which has about the same population as Uruguay), it would rank similarly.


latinometrics OP t1_j9xoy2c wrote

That’s right. Uruguay and Chile have done a really great job in the last couple of decades. The rest of Latam need to learn from them!


StarryEyedBeardog t1_j9y4pe9 wrote

There's a historic argument that the lack of spanish/portuguese institutions during colonialism in these regions was good for their long-term development. Chile, Uruguay and Costa Rica were some of the most ignored and poorest parts of the spanish/portuguese/brazilian empires (Uruguay used to be a brazilian province prior to independence), thus did not inherit the extractivist, cast-based and elite-oriented institutions of the spanish as much as their neighbors, these institutions, one could argue, would be the start of the corruption problems and political strife between the elites that haunts/haunted much of Latin America throughout it's history.

Thus, Chile, Uruguay, and Costa Rica were able to build up their own institutions in a manor that favored development more in the long term and made corruption less present.


arturocan t1_j9ya7il wrote

Uruguay was a brazilian province for the last like 11 years before independence... you might be giving a bit to much credit to that argument


StarryEyedBeardog t1_ja0ua3j wrote

Yes, I wasn't trying to say that Uruguay lacked brazilian institutions or that Uruguay had a lesser focus by the spanish empire because of Brazil, I just added that as an extra fact


brorpsichord t1_ja3hox9 wrote

I don't disagree with you don't the first part, but not inheritting (SP?) Exctractivist, cast-based and elite oriented institutions didn't stoped them from creating their own.


brorpsichord t1_j9yuz0c wrote

Argentina and Paraguay where arguably less integrated into the empires than Chile and Costa Rica yet there they are, doing worse


euchrebot t1_j9w5zjb wrote

Which are the countries down there that keep having rigged elections and coups?


Pikkuveli t1_j9xsa1u wrote

How is North America more democratic than Western Europe?

I don't know many countries in Western Europe where gerrymandering is so rampant and the candidate with fewer votes often wins. And yes, I do understand the electoral college system.

But maybe Canada is pulling North America in the right direction.


Bionic_Ferir t1_j9xt0eq wrote

Ah yeah let's lump Australia and New Zealand (and the other Pacific islands) in with countries like China, Myanmar, vietnam, and Indonesia. I feel like this is incredibly unfair as basically Australia+the Pacific region are fairly democratic


christian4tal t1_j9ygvhf wrote

  1. The groupings are horrible. Belarus amd Russia are grouped in with EU countries such as Czeck Republic, while Turkey is in WE. This is just gerrymandering for lack of a better word. As a minimum, EU and Asia Pac should have own regions as these are more homogenous.

  2. Weighting, it's a country average not population adjusted. China weighs as much as Singapore. So 1.4 billion oppressed Chinese count as much as a tiny island-state, this is not reflecting the region as a whole. Similarly in Latam and Europe, the smaller countries pull up the average, Luxembourg evens out the democratic disaster that is Russia.


latinometrics OP t1_j9yhm07 wrote

so you’d suggest doing it per capita? that could be a good idea


Jankwano t1_j9yhq4l wrote

The English speaking Caribbean countries are even more democratic than the rest in the Latin American basin. From Bahamas in the north to Trinidad and Tobago in the south, all sound democracies.


APJYB t1_j9zcerl wrote

Does North America include Mexico in this? If so, why does it have its own bubble and not called “average”.


Yhamerith t1_j9y4ltr wrote

"Democracy, I love you, I love you, I love you"

Antonio Aras, Brazil


TikkiTakiTomtom t1_j9ydak9 wrote

How does one measure democratic-ness or republican-ness as an actual metric used by everyone?…


dethblud t1_j9w8oad wrote

This is what I was talking about on OP's other post. Uruguay OWNS the nice end of these graphs. There is not a better place to live in Latin America.


gmuslera t1_j9wf8es wrote

Living is not just democracy. It have a pretty high cost of life, and not so high salaries nor so much job opportunities. And if you have enough money and don't need to work (nor are worried about corruption or democracy), other countries, at least at the right cities, may give you a better experience.

Uruguay is not bad, but your mileage may vary.


Boot-Representative t1_j9ymov3 wrote

CIA will fix that. As they always have. As they always will.


yellow_edge t1_j9ytlln wrote

With all the subdivisions of regions in other places why the hell would Australia & NZ be lumped in with Asia?


jjelin t1_j9uogvc wrote

"Third most" as if LATAM's average is more than a few pixels ahead of Asia's. These scores are highly subjective, and any close matchups are not meaningfully distinguishable.


Elperrorron t1_j9v5wq5 wrote

Cierto, si le llamamos DEMOCRACIA al hecho de ir a VOTAR por los candidatos que el mismo gobierno y sus aliados políticos escogen.


justennn t1_j9x6m8f wrote

Kinda invalidates the data when all of Asia (including communist china and socialist Russia) is grouped together with New Zealand and Australia.


Tsahanzam t1_j9xmpa7 wrote

"socialist Russia" what the fuck are you smoking, please do tell so I can avoid it


Pastel_de_Jaiba t1_j9y8ijh wrote

Russia is an europran country, that happend to rule part of asia, were the idea that they are not europeans came from?


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JN324 t1_j9vfqww wrote

US pressure isn’t the cause, quite the opposite, they overthrew a number of legitimate democracies in favour of dictatorships that aligned with their interests.

They overthrew (all democratically elected) Perón in Argentina, Banzer in Bolivia, Allende in Chile and Arbenz in Guatemala, among many many others, and replaced all of them with US friendly brutal dictatorships.


Still_Map_6376 t1_j9wnxl0 wrote

Actually the US overthrew democracies, see Guatemala in 1954, Operation Condor, multiple interventions in Haiti (and sponsoring Papa Doc's regime), the Big Stick policy, and these are just the most obvious examples.