Submitted by RompingOtter t3_116itjy in dataisbeautiful
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SobriquetHeart t1_j96ou8n wrote
The link is for credit scores, but it doesn't vary much from the chronic health issues. I guess we can conclude that if they don't take care of their credit, they don't take care of their health.
ay-papy t1_j96p32b wrote
Or if they cant afford to live, they cant afford to live healthy
1714alpha t1_j96qay6 wrote
Color scheme seems like it should be flipped.
SamTulster t1_j96r9b6 wrote
Yeah I was confused at first.
columntolumn t1_j96tlxh wrote
Also I don’t understand the use of a diverging color scale. I’ve only use diverging scales in chloropleths if there is a logical middle point (eg 0 if my scale includes neg and positive numbers). I guess in this case it makes it easier to distinguish the value of each county.
ImpudentFetus t1_j96tq5q wrote
Minnesota built different
JeanEBH t1_j96up7y wrote
Population density should also factor in. This map is misleading.
Elmodogg t1_j96uu26 wrote
Ok, so these are all people over 65 (although disabled people are eligible for Medicare, too), but there's a big difference between a 65 year old and an 85 year old in terms of likelihood of chronic medical problems.
I wonder if the Medicare populations in the blue areas are older in general than the Medicare populations in the other areas? The older you get, the more likely you may be to head south for warmer weather.
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Onepopcornman t1_j96vp26 wrote
It is a proportion so it implicitly is normalized though right?
Not saying that density doesn't impact chronic health conditions but--I don't know if its misleading per se.
jkink28 t1_j96w308 wrote
I would've expected Wisconsin to be on the high end with all the binge drinking.
And of course the cheese shouldn't help matters either.
ComputersWantMeDead t1_j96w5ba wrote
The link covers all that. And has the OP graph further down.
The conclusion made in the article is that medical debt is the cause of bad credit, and areas where Governers didn't expand Medicaid are particularly bad.
subtledeception t1_j96wpae wrote
Can't get on Medicare if you're dead in a snowbank at 28.
deeptull t1_j96wqcx wrote
Blue areas (on this map) have lower life expectancy. The average age should be lower, so it is likely the exact opposite of your thesis.
_B_Little_me t1_j96wsh6 wrote
BuT GoVErnMenT HAnD OuTS R Bad
TedwardCz t1_j96wu1s wrote
I'm curious how this map would look if it was all people with 4+ chronic medical conditions. I mean, I just counted more than 4 for myself, and I'm only 36.
EnviroTron t1_j96y7an wrote
Isn't this just showing us population density?
TatosTatoes t1_j96yx1r wrote
Should’ve kept blue for lower numbers and red for higher numbers…. Could easily highlight the political irony of this chart!
Bugsarecool2 t1_j96z93v wrote
The West needs their own system. I could be saving a lot more on my taxes.
theottozone t1_j96zcaj wrote
Does it matter if you provide the scale legend?
atmsillini t1_j96zizk wrote
Also a seems to be a correlation with obesity
Brainsonastick t1_j96zmmt wrote
No, it’s percentages. Population density looks very different.
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mick_ward t1_j970eec wrote
The Appalachians seem to be good for what ails you.
Deluxe78 t1_j970srt wrote
Trees rarely get heart disease or lung cancer
ryanveilleux1 t1_j97117g wrote
I thought that too.
Beneficial_Cicada573 t1_j9714mp wrote
Hotspot in CO is interesting.
Shea_Scarlet t1_j97159x wrote
Why is it that US statistics maps always look exactly like the election map lol
Training-Purpose802 t1_j971b7a wrote
I wonder if differing atitudes toward self-reliance lead to underutilizing health services. A western rancher can't get diagnosed with 4 chronic diseases if he's only gone to the doctor that one time when his arm fell off.
BigTex88 t1_j971jke wrote
Can we just get rid of the south? They cost the rest of us money and provide basically nothing. Plus they’d be more than happy to leave.
shockingdevelopment t1_j971kwo wrote
Why do old Americans go east?
PredictorX1 t1_j971m9u wrote
The correlation with the geographic distribution of obesity has already been noted in the Comments. Notice, too, the association with Tobacco Nation:
KoeiNL t1_j97282m wrote
Yes, if you need to look at the scale to actually understand what is going on then you made a mistake in your visualisation.
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ptocco t1_j972vgw wrote
:/ it doesn’t… Texas, Florida, Massachusetts, New Jersey all same color, West Coast, Wyoming, Montana, Vermont all same color.
Chiliconkarma t1_j9731pd wrote
First, tripplecheck that the west isn't underdiagnosed and shouldn't join the east in having a more complete identification of health issues.
Bugsarecool2 t1_j973fxh wrote
Are you suggesting there are more or better doctors in Louisiana? This map tracks with every health map I’ve seen.
ImoJenny t1_j973mvp wrote
This probably has more to do with diagnosis than anything...
NZSheeps t1_j973srf wrote
I wonder how much Ohio will change in the next 12 months
SignificantDigits491 t1_j973ti5 wrote
It provides a larger number of visually distinguishable classes than a single color in different shades.
JadedFennel999 t1_j97454y wrote
I would use the warm colors for higher risk areas vs cool colors. That seems a bit backwards but an interesting result
Chiliconkarma t1_j974if7 wrote
No, just that there may be more ways to read the map than the west needing their own system.
UnluckyChain1417 t1_j975cyw wrote
Poor and agriculture areas.. exposure to more artificial chemicals and immigrants that don’t trust the government/medical system.
And the most populated areas.
Me_Melissa t1_j975ivp wrote
I think it creates an arbitrary line that intuitively feels like, "this is where there's problems, this is where things are good." At that point, whether intentionally or not, the color scale is editorializing the data presentation.
theottozone t1_j975l9a wrote
I disagree that's what the scale is for, to inform the audience on how the interpret the graph.
mr_ji t1_j975qlm wrote
😮👉...dammit, you're right.
TechnologicalDarkage t1_j9763xy wrote
I thought I’d seen this map somewhere:
Strong-Middle6155 t1_j97648k wrote
I’m curious whether this map is pre or post COVID
m0llusk t1_j976ebj wrote
No. The crescent of high black population does not show strongly and West Virginia is strongly represented here while also being mostly white.
Stigma-1 t1_j976xqr wrote
i mean most older people move south, so makes sense.
QueenOfPurple t1_j977635 wrote
Places like cancer alley aren’t doing people any favors.
Page-This t1_j977gl5 wrote
Definitely a phenomenon in rural mountain west…it doesn’t seem to affect life expectancy though (according to data linked earlier in this thread)
RecentArugula t1_j978ad2 wrote
Both San Juan and hinsdale counties have under 800 people
edgeplot t1_j978dp4 wrote
And poverty, whether rural or urban.
SmokyTree t1_j978gik wrote
Interesting there is a lot more blue in the states with lowest education, highest obesity rates, smoking alcoholism etc.
vr0202 t1_j979lwd wrote
The color scale could well have been blue for low to red for high, which would have brought out the consequences of how people vote.
idontwanttosaysorry t1_j979wcs wrote
So, places with lots of fat people have more health issues
kkngs t1_j97a3fw wrote
You are correct. It’s not an appropriate use of diverging color scheme. It’s more appropriate if you were looking at something like “change in percent of four condition Medicare recipients between 2010 and 2020”. Then one color would show trending up and the other trending down.
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Demonstratepatience t1_j97ahbb wrote
I bet this data correlates decently with obesity rates
bittersweetquartet t1_j97antu wrote
Big ups to, checks notes Wyoming?
douglasg14b t1_j97arls wrote
> Where is your data coming from?
And per your link, they are right? The south east does have lower life expectancy.
TecumsehSherman t1_j97avqy wrote
Yeah, I was just asking.
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douglasg14b t1_j97b12u wrote
Obesity, crime, life expectancy, education, wealth, tobacco use, alcoholism, political ideology, religion...etc
pick your metric, and it probably correlates to "worst in the south east".
KoeiNL t1_j97bo0d wrote
Your colouring should reflect the story you want to tell. What you are basically saying is that you are ok with a visualisation where red means good and green means bad as long as there is a scale/legend.
johnnyGotHisTabla t1_j97bpsl wrote
>Wyoming
Nah, /r/wyomingdoesntexist
drc500free t1_j97bs2u wrote
Fascinating because this doesn't exactly break down with any specific map trend I've seen. They often break down on political axes and the New York/Connecticut/New Jersey area looks very different from the south.
It looks like a combination of obesity and urbanization.
Paralyzoid t1_j97byig wrote
Looks like the data source is from 2018.
Bocote t1_j97c5u5 wrote
I've been staring at this for a bit, but still have no clue what to take away.
nipnop4037 t1_j97c7y2 wrote
This isn't OC, this is a screenshot of from WaPo.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/02/17/bad-southern-credit-scores/
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ppitm t1_j97cv5m wrote
Poor and agricultural areas have more immigrants.
ReineDeLaSeine14 t1_j97d0ro wrote
Also, healthcare access. There are two scenarios in particular: people who can’t get a diagnosis because they can’t go to the doctor, and people who have a diagnosis but can’t get treatment.
ReineDeLaSeine14 t1_j97db8u wrote
I left Connecticut because I couldn’t afford to live there anymore. My Appalachian community has many people from CT, and a lot from NY.
ReineDeLaSeine14 t1_j97dgr9 wrote
Definitely better air and water here
inkybreadbox t1_j97dmwl wrote
The higher percentages in California’s Central Valley are a little concerning, since we have issues with drug and pesticide exposure in those areas already.
inkybreadbox t1_j97e2ro wrote
It does seem to be agriculture correlated…
theottozone t1_j97oyi9 wrote
And your saying yellow is the opposite of blue here? Theres no inherent meaning to colors. We give them that meaning and we document it in the legend.
Elmodogg t1_j9887z8 wrote
I don't think average life expectancy of the general population would have anything to do with this. This is just looking at the Medicare population, and who has more chronic conditions.
The average life expectancy in a particular area is impacted by how many people die before they even reach Medicare age, right?
See:
deeptull t1_j98aq3c wrote
Presumably poor health leads to (or means) more complications/conditions and early morbidity. A bit of a vicious cycle
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UnluckyChain1417 t1_j98flet wrote
Maybe some parts are for the other reasons I listed.
sei556 t1_j98syum wrote
Thats just bad/lazy design that can easily end up being manipulative. With any form of design, you always have to assume that whoever looks at it later on is the laziest person on earth. Because thats the average.
Your argument is like saying intuitive design for smartphones is useless because people can just read the manual.
RompingOtter OP t1_j96mw8y wrote
Source: https://archive.is/Fuslg/again?url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/02/17/bad-southern-credit-scores/%3Futm_source=reddit.com