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Paxisstinkt t1_jahcq79 wrote

Reply to comment by Ian_ronald_maiden in Gender pay gap difference in select geographies [OC] by Ok_Acanthisitta5799

Because it's bs. It's not allowed by law to pay less for a certain gender for the same work where I live and still the gap is huge.

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Ian_ronald_maiden t1_jahcuzi wrote

Gender pay gap doesn’t necessarily mean for the same work. It can include that sometimes but that’s not what it means

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Paxisstinkt t1_jahit9c wrote

Yeah that's why it's bs the way it is usually presented and shown. If you want to make a point then, it is about choice and not about the pay.

Women and men chose different jobs, maybe we are not the same? Maybe women with high paying jobs are not as happy as stay home moms? Maybe not, but where is this data?

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Ian_ronald_maiden t1_jahjqs1 wrote

That’s the gender pay gap you just described.

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Paxisstinkt t1_jahkay2 wrote

So what point are you making? What is the problem, is there a problem and whose fault is it?

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Ian_ronald_maiden t1_jahl4ai wrote

> Whose fault is it

It’s no one’s fault. It’s a phenomenon in society that we now find ourselves with many thousands of years into our journey through civilisation. To observe it and discuss it, and wonder about whether and how it provides us with an optimal situation individually, for the community, or for the economy, is not really something you need to see as a source of conflict or a personal attack.

You clearly can see that the gender pay gap is there. You just described it. You can discuss what it is, means or doesn’t mean without immaturely just declaring it doesn’t exist or that it’s some affront.

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Paxisstinkt t1_jahpsre wrote

True, but what I mostly see nowadays in society is to search for victims and perpetrators to correspond to a certain narrative, feminsim.

That's equality of outcome and the way it is done today, it is sexist again.

We should focus on equality of opportunity and the point I am making is that in western societies we have it mostly.

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Ian_ronald_maiden t1_jahqlvj wrote

Be that as it may, the gender pay gap exists and presents far more interesting questions than any discussions about some hypothetical individual’s victim narrative

And I think you’re right to call out victim narratives, but I think everyone should be a bit careful of slipping into one. I think some people fall into this trap by inferring accusations that aren’t there in this discussion

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Riegler77 t1_jahuj5f wrote

Where I live murder is illegal, guess what?

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Paxisstinkt t1_jahw24i wrote

So we should be an anarchist society? What point are you trying to make?

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Riegler77 t1_jahwqp5 wrote

My point is that just because there is a law that prohibits pay discrimination does not mean that there is no pay discrimination.

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Paxisstinkt t1_jahxc56 wrote

Then introduce a law where you can inform yourself about your collagues wage& sue the company. - Oh wait, we already have that?

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gnarlycarly18 t1_jahgcx3 wrote

Breaking news: employers often break the fucking law.

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Paxisstinkt t1_jahjxy0 wrote

Breaking news: You can sue companies that break the law.

You can also inform yourself by law about the wage of your colleagues where I live.

So, what point are you trying to make?

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