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Strike_Alibi t1_jdhaj09 wrote

… Telegram??? How do more young people use Telegrams than old people? Forget the age group - Literally HOW do you even send OR receive a telegram? There are not telegram offices in each town like there used to be. But somehow 15% of the youths are sending telegrams?

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strangr_legnd_martyr t1_jdhapx6 wrote

Replying to Strike_Alibi (#2,333,499)

I had the same question

I suspect OP is confusing "sending a telegram" like you and I are imagining with using the messenger app Telegram.

Also I'm not sure "basic Google chart with Twitter handle pasted on it" qualifies as "beautiful data".

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FelixKrabbe t1_jdhayiz wrote

Why is using a printer considered retro? How else am I gonna print out stuff?

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elijha t1_jdhayjw wrote

So either this tells us that propensity to troll online surveys goes down with age, or that a significant portion of people don't know that the app Telegram is named after an actual thing that used to exist

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JackdiQuadri97 t1_jdhc27y wrote

Who's actually old tho, the respondent sending or receiving a telegram, or the person who created the survey not knowing the existence of the app "telegram"?

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LanewayRat t1_jdhd2q5 wrote

This is nuts. Why are so many Americans using checks? Even young Americans! In Australia we are about to kill them off because only about 0.1% of transactions are done using checks. In New Zealand they have got rid of them.

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04221970 t1_jdhde9d wrote

The "use a printer at home" threw me for a bit, as clearly everyone on occasion has to print something out, even if its rarely.

People below 65 do it at work. Older people don't have the luxury of stealing office supplies from their work

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elijha t1_jdhe8t6 wrote

Replying to LumosLupin (#2,333,922)

You really think there is some administrative process so secret that none of us have heard of it, but that 15% of people under 29 and 10% of people under 44 have had to do recently?

This doesn’t require a wealth of knowledge, just some bare minimum of critical thinking skills

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RealMudflapper t1_jdhemhx wrote

Owning a printer and keeping a few stamps around is just smart.

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41942319 t1_jdhfz2n wrote

Replying to hache-moncour (#2,333,962)

And since 2021 you can no longer cash checks at Dutch banks. Which in winter 2021 led to a bunch of post in Dutch subs from American immigrants asking "where can I cash my Covid stimulus check". Well, you can't. Not here anyway.

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radimm t1_jdhmpa5 wrote

Oh joy of being colour blind 😉

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Unstuckmyselfat29 t1_jdhokx5 wrote

I live with two roommates, we work remote/hybrid in tech/finance and don't have a printer.

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zdub t1_jdhvvnb wrote

Please include vinyl records.

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NotTheOnlyGamer t1_jdhwei2 wrote

I have two printers. I used them a lot more pre-2020. Since then, all the hobbies I printed things out for have either gone away, or gone digital.

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FelixKrabbe t1_jdi0z2c wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,334,582)

Hah yeah, I have to admit that I am way too analog for my age. But still, I haven't seen an application that can do the same, as just taking a map and designing a hiking route dedicated to my purposes.

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FelixKrabbe t1_jdi1er1 wrote

Replying to thejml2000 (#2,334,859)

Damn, I forgot about the time I printed out dozens of free use coloring pages. The only alternative here would have been to go out and spend quite a lot of money on physical copies of books. I can see how a child can get a lot of use out of a printer.

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resistdrip t1_jdi51ih wrote

20% using a map tells me 20% of people don't have a phone capable of utilizing Google maps.

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dabnagit t1_jdi7lb5 wrote

I'm finding this data...doubtful. At least for some questions, but therefore doubtful for all questions. Which is what you get with opt-in YouGov surveys like this. Others here have mentioned the telegram question: an actual telegram vs the app Telegram? (Fun fact: the former Western Union network since 2006 has been operated by a company called "International Telegram." To send a 24-hr-delivery telegram in the US is $34 + 75¢/word. Which would make for an expensive birthday card, but could be worth it for the right occasion.)

Beyond that question, I find it interesting at least, if not dubious, that:

  • under 30s are the most likely to still be renting videos from a video store (are they perhaps including online stores, since it didn't specify physical store?)...and also the most likely to have never done so
  • under 30s are also the most likely to still be using dial-up modems (really?)
  • a fifth of under 30 year olds are still using overhead projectors? (could this have been a confusion between the old classroom "overhead projectors" vs a ceiling-mounted projector a laptop display can be ported to for PowerPoint, etc., presentations?)
  • nearly a quarter of people are still sending postcards? Maybe. (I mean, I do -- rarely -- but I'm very retro in my tastes.)
  • over a fifth of people in the U.S. are currently writing with fountain pens? (Again, I do -- often -- but...c'mon.)
  • And, finally, which for me really throws all of this survey into doubt (including the fact that Trump voters are more likely to have quit buying newspapers and less likely to own a dictionary, both of which I can believe, but I now know I can't rely on this data to prove it): 44% of 30-44 year olds have stored data on a punch card?? I've worked on a computer for the last 36 years and I have never done this. I've know some people who, early in their careers in technology (which started even before mine), have done so. But this is only because for a while I worked for the company that invented the damn punch card. And even there, finding such people around still was a rarity. And yet, according to this: 14% of under 30s are still using punch cards? I do not think so.
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WarpingLasherNoob t1_jdi7qiv wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,333,637)

> Why would you need to print out stuff?

Because of people that still don't know how to use email?

Because of institutions that still require you to send physical letters?

Because you sometimes need to stick a notice on a door or wall for other people to read?

Because you need to print and sign physical copies of some work related documents? (I guess you could use the office printer for this, but I could play the devil's advocate here and say that going to the office instead of working remote is a retro activity in 2023.)

Sure I only need to use the printer maybe once a month (the scanner sees a lot more use). But not having a printer would make life extremely inconvenient where I live.

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jadero t1_jdifney wrote

I know that there are jurisdictions that are moving to abolish cheques, but I don't see how it's retro to use a cheque when the terminals are down.

I think it was just last year that a Rogers outage took down most payment terminals across Canada for a couple of days. The local (rural) businesses just did business as usual, except that instead of one or two cheques a day, it was all cheques, all day.

We still use cheques regularly because seasonal and farm-based businesses and lack of internet make cheques the only viable way to conduct business. It's not like I'm going to run to the city to take out the cash I'd need.

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InsuranceToTheRescue t1_jdiqihp wrote

Replying to elijha (#2,333,857)

There are a minority of things that telegrams are still useful for. I think it's niche legal situations mostly, because for telegrams, whatever it is, is binding when it's sent rather than when it's received.

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elijha t1_jdir701 wrote

Replying to InsuranceToTheRescue (#2,339,455)

Presented with the stat that 15% of under 29s and virtually no one over 44 is sending telegrams, your hypothesis is that young people just have a lot of urgent legal business to attend to? Seriously? Final answer?

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alliteraladdict t1_jdiye8i wrote

You’re telling me I coulda been sending telegrams this whole time?!

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Crazy-Inspection-778 t1_jdj1xmf wrote

Replying to LanewayRat (#2,333,800)

We aren't really. I used them in college to pay my mom&pop landlord rent (2015ish), but that's it. Most people use venmo or other apps. I don't know any young person that writes checks unless it's to an old person or archaic business that can't figure out online payments

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quantumoutcast t1_jdj4q6c wrote

If the chart went before age 18, I bet the "Use Printer at Home" line would look like a U shape. Most of my printing at home is for my daughter's printouts for school assignments.

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Available_Ad4135 t1_jdj5j3p wrote

Did the younger groups think the last question what about the Telegram app?

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jamck1977 t1_jdjgz0a wrote

UPS never gets my packages to their destinations anymore, now that I became young and stopped printing labels for their people/machines to read.

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SRJT16 t1_jdjis6s wrote

There is not a chance 15% of 18-29 year olds are sending telegrams unless they mean the app

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SRJT16 t1_jdjixqy wrote

Using a printer is the only task on this list that is still relevant to the modern world

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double_shadow t1_jdjldnd wrote

Replying to LanewayRat (#2,333,800)

You basically have to in some circumstances. Luckily, my town's water department FINALLY switched to online billing, so now I never have to anymore unless some luddite won't take venmo payment for something (ie my parents).

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Clanaria t1_jdjlpr2 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,333,637)

Lots of hobbyists use printers to print out things for their crafts, me included. Currently still use my printer to print out stickers. Also the occasional photograph that I want to hang on my wall.

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orlock t1_jdjrb80 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,334,582)

I've never seen anything better than a 1:25k map, laid on the ground and oriented, for trying to make sense of the situation around you. I use the GPS on my phone to figure out where I am and Dioptera for taking bearings. But what do you use for an overall picture covering many square km; the tablet I would have to carry would crush me?

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confusedapegenius t1_jdjuur6 wrote

80% of arcade gamers are seniors? I can’t refute that but it seems weird

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shibabao t1_jdjzim2 wrote

Replying to cheatonstatistics (#2,343,619)

I might just be dumb but my brain keeps tricking me into thinking this being a chart about trend: e.g how likely will you be doing X when you are Y years old, instead of this being a distribution chart.

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EqualityZucchini t1_jdk1y16 wrote

The CD one surprises me. I was expecting a U shape because weirdly, the kids I know like CDs, whereas Millennials / Gen X are into vinyl, and then you get back to Boomers who sold all their vinyl and are basically stuck with Blu Ray forever because SSI won't cover an upgrade.

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charredutensil t1_jdk7cwy wrote

Replying to EqualityZucchini (#2,344,881)

90's kid here. I once used an auto-pay system where the $5 charge for "convenience" went through, but the actual payment didn't. It didn't even attempt to notify me about the failed payment, and I had more than enough money in the account. Bank didn't even have a record of the payment being attempted. I got hit with $300 in late fees.

Since then, I pull out an honest to God typewriter and type up a check. I cackle with glee at every key I push with full force, knowing full well a human being has to be paid to physically open the envelope, read the paper, and retype the information into a computer. Plus, I get to support the Post Office.

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redditseddit4u t1_jdkrxsw wrote

Replying to Crazy-Inspection-778 (#2,340,704)

If you own property there’s a good chance your local tax assessor requires a check for property tax payments (unless you pay exorbitant fees for credit card processing). Many government organizations require check payments. I suspect the the higher check usage is more caused by income and not age - higher your income/assets the more likely you’re dealing with the government. Higher your income/assets the more likely you’re older.

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Zarzeta t1_jdkvsug wrote

If I could still sing, I'd belt out Western Union! Dun te dun dun Totally forgot about Telegrams. Seemed like a big deal when I was a 10 year old:)

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Naturallyoutoftime t1_jdkxumg wrote

Replying to FelixKrabbe (#2,333,559)

I may be unduly worried but if I have written something that I would like to have forever, I print a hard copy. With constant updates of phones and technology in general, how can you be sure that you won’t lose something you want for the future—devices crash, software is constantly updated, things get erased? Seems like insurance to print a hard copy for something you want forever.

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Naturallyoutoftime t1_jdkyksc wrote

How does one plan a road trip without a physical map? I am talking about a road trip that isn’t a straight drive from Point A to Point B. Rather a meandering drive, wandering around from one sightseeing site to another. You have to be able to pore over a physical map, studying all the parks, wildlife refuges, museums, scenic roads, zoos, etc in an area in order to find what is available and where everything is in relation to each other, then figure out which routes link everything up. Can’t do it on GPS.

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Chickensandcoke t1_jdl2s1m wrote

65+ sharply moving up for using physical road maps is slightly concerning

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CeruleanDragon1 t1_jdlaw1s wrote

How the hell is using a printer at home “Retro”? I can’t use my work’s printer for personal use, and I have no desire to go to the library or ups store every time I need to print something.

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ViciousTeletuby t1_jdlb98v wrote

The old people took it hard when my country got rid of cheques years ago. I'm shocked they are still used anywhere.

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Rayne_K t1_jdmpuvo wrote

How about listening to vinyl?

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dabnagit t1_jdmvjem wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,350,018)

Not entirely sure, but there’s a cheaper price for USPS delivery. But whether they ever use actual telegraph equipment to transfer any part of even the 24-hr delivery version…I dunno.

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Naturallyoutoftime t1_jdo06b5 wrote

Replying to mulchroom (#2,353,158)

You think that will forever be available or that there won’t be a possibility of a breakdown in the system or that the operating system will be compatible decades into the future or that anyone will know what is there or how to find it if you died unexpectedly? You have a lot of faith in technology. I am afraid I don’t.

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