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Fizban24 t1_jca5npe wrote

I wasn’t a huge fan of captain marvel… but worse audience score than suicide squad and Batman vs Superman??? That’s just absurd.

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killrdave t1_jcagxg6 wrote

I also thought it was kinda meh but the low audience score is due to brigading.

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xxthundergodxx77 t1_jcazsd4 wrote

I actively hated that movie. Brie Larson is insufferable + the movie was just really bland

Don't know how I get downvoted for having an opinion... I thought the movie fucking sucks lmao

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R_V_Z t1_jcbe70n wrote

But bland is still better than actively bad.

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xxthundergodxx77 t1_jccnayj wrote

Disagree. Actively bad is more entertaining a lot of the the time

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Jazzlike-Emu-9235 t1_jcdfhnj wrote

Agree. The other way is just sad to me. At least I can laugh at how bad a movie is

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AsemicConjecture t1_jcbuabg wrote

Batman v Superman still had a storyline, (not a good one, mind) and develops it’s characters; Captain Marvel didn’t do either of those things and felt like it instead prioritised women empowerment at every plot point (ie. Captain Marvel would never lose a fight or have to reflect on her actions). In that sense, I’d argue that both were actively bad, though I still think Captain Marvel was harder to watch.

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finfan96 t1_jcc11hh wrote

Captain Marvel had a storyline, wtf are you talking about?

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AsemicConjecture t1_jcc5n34 wrote

Sure it did. It started; stuff happened; about midway through, most people in the audience realised it wasn’t getting any better; then it ended. Now, if that’s not compelling story telling, then I don’t know what is.

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finfan96 t1_jcc6pzv wrote

Well, you're entitled to your opinion I guess

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BelovedOmegaMan t1_jceg54y wrote

You denied it had a storyline and then literally contradicted yourself an hour later. What does that say about you?

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AsemicConjecture t1_jceg9o3 wrote

It was sarcasm…

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BelovedOmegaMan t1_jceh3kf wrote

shouldn't sarcasm have a point other than making the author appear ignorant? In the classical sense, at least. It's difficult to gauge what your intent was, because normally the author doesn't demean themselves, purposefully.

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AsemicConjecture t1_jcehdsh wrote

Not exactly sure what your deal is, but we're just talking about a bunch of overrated movies. You don't need to take your aggressions out on me.

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xxthundergodxx77 t1_jccn8hz wrote

Agreed. And outside of the movie, brie Larson adds to that. Batman v Superman was like if they sat for hours and thought of the one way to possibly prolong the movie to a movie instead of a short. Also a hard watch I agree

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BelovedOmegaMan t1_jceg03n wrote

Your opinion is not fact. Looking at your post history, you struggle with this. Often. It's difficult to tell where, exactly, in your life that you were convinced the importance of your personal beliefs over anyone else's or even actual fact, but someday you'll realize, painfully, that this isn't necessarily true. Hopefully you won't hurt someone else when it happens.

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xxthundergodxx77 t1_jcewgq4 wrote

You sure do make a lot of assumptions from a couple reddit posts.

I never said my opinion is fact, and I didn't say my opinion was more important. However, I do have strong opinions, especially about garbage ass captain marvel.

I think you need to touch some grass instead of being a moron on Reddit

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dabiggman t1_jccau9e wrote

Proof that if your opinion doesn't match with "THE MESSAGE" you will get downvoted into oblivion. Captain Marvel sucked and Brie Larson IS insufferable.

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MrRoflmajog t1_jccbq5q wrote

Or proof that if you present your unpopular opinion as a fact you will get downvoted.

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xxthundergodxx77 t1_jccnqrq wrote

If you can't rub together enough brain cells to deduce that me hating a movie is an opinion then I can't help you.

Now, downvoting an "unpopular"/unconforming view is what it is.

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MrRoflmajog t1_jccyj88 wrote

If you said that you found her insufferable then I wouldn't have downvoted or commented. You said she is, which is more likely to get a strong reaction from people who disagree. If you can't figure out why people are downvoting when you are directly told I can't help you.

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Corintio22 t1_jcd4tjq wrote

He may not figure it out. Sadly, a lot of people buy into the narrative that if they get downvoted it might be not because they were rude but because they dared to say a "hot take" and people "can't take it".

And I don't say this because I have stakes in defending Captain Marvel as a movie. I found Captain Marvel AND Batman v Superman to be both rather bad movies. It's not even a controversial take: a lot of people disliked both movies. Some people get very incel-ish about why they dislike Captain Marvel, and that's a big yikes. But that aside, the movie isn't (imho) a very good movie anyway.

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makingthematrix t1_jccrmk2 wrote

Well, my opinion is that Captain Marvel was a good movie, and I like Brie. So now what? Do we schedule a fight on a parking lot somewhere or what?

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Corintio22 t1_jcd3w5h wrote

Don't hate a movie.

When I was a kid my parents have this habit of mocking me (in a benign silly way) when I said I hated something. THey repeated it but making the word "hate" sound ominous.

"Oh, so you HATE this TV show?"

It goes to say that words matter. You disliked (or heavily disliked) the movie.

You hate a horrible person that's doing horrible things.

Hatred is such a strong visceral emotion.

You don't hate a silly thing.

And if you truly do, then you need to work on your emotions most likely, because it's bad for you that you let yourself feel pure real hatred towards a movie that was (according to your words) just bland.

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alexanderpas t1_jcdqegg wrote

Captain Marvel: Too much talk and not enough show.

Suicide Squad: Actually shows what happened.

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ruidh t1_jca3q3g wrote

The brigading on Captain Marvel and Black Panther are obvious.

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Brewe t1_jca5g2g wrote

To be fair to all the racists (not that they deserve it), the 95% critic score is also race motivated. It is really good, but there were one too many mistakes and bad decisions for it to be above a 90%.

(bracing for heavy downvoting from both sides)

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Lakeside_Tigger t1_jcbxvt7 wrote

That’s not how RT works. 90% just means 90% of critics gave the movie a positive review, not that it scored a 9/10.

If 90% of critics give it a 6/10 it still gets a 90% RT score.

If a movie have 100% of critics score it 5/10 the movie gets a 0% for having all negative reviews.

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Bennito_bh t1_jcdlvbe wrote

Sounds like a preposterously bad system

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MVRKHNTR t1_jcdw7i5 wrote

What? How?

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Bennito_bh t1_jce145u wrote

My man, if rounding to the nearest hundred in a metric where 100 is the maximum score doesn’t already sound terrible to you, I won’t be able to explain it.

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MVRKHNTR t1_jce1l5j wrote

I have no idea what it is you're trying to say.

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BelovedOmegaMan t1_jcegfrc wrote

You don't understand how percentages work and are embarrassing yourself publicly about it. I would suggest asking one of your teachers to explain this to you.

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Bennito_bh t1_jcfnme7 wrote

For RT critics there is no difference between 9 critics scoring 100 and 1 scoring 49, and 9 critics scoring 51 with 1 scoring 49.

So fuck off. The system’s terrible.

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MVRKHNTR t1_jcfp6z8 wrote

RT only tells you what percentage of critics gave a positive review, not how good something is. This is like having your height measured and complaining about how that number didn't tell you your weight.

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Bennito_bh t1_jcfq5h7 wrote

Telling what % of critics gave positive review is worse under every metric than simply averaging the scores my man. Outliers count for more under their system.

It asks critics: “Tell me with a score of 0 or 1, how good was this movie?”

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MVRKHNTR t1_jcfrqfn wrote

It's worse in your opinion because you're trying to figure out how good something is and that's not what it's for. It's there to tell you how likely you are to enjoy something and it's much better for that.

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Bennito_bh t1_jcft16p wrote

It’s categorically worse. Instead of doing both, it’a poorly attempting and failing to do one.

For RT critics there is no difference between 9 critics scoring 100 and 1 scoring 49, and 9 critics scoring 51 with 1 scoring 49.

You are not equally likely to enjoy both of these films.

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MVRKHNTR t1_jcfxdap wrote

Rotten Tomatoes isn't actually automated like that. Critics mark their reviews as positive or negative.

So in both of your examples, 9/10 people said "Yeah, I liked this" so you have a 9/10 chance of liking it.

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Suspicious-Feeling-1 t1_jcdzohc wrote

It depends on what you're using ratings for. A binary of good movie / bad movie works great if you are trying to pick a movie with the highest probability of being something you would enjoy. If you want a movie to totally blow you away, an IMDB score or a tally of awards won might be more useful.

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ruidh t1_jca7ac5 wrote

I'm not going to down vote you but I profoundly disagree.

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SyriseUnseen t1_jcbhtxq wrote

I thought Black Panther was a cool movie, but 9,6/10 is an insanely high score. It's pretty damn close to perfect.

It really depends on what people perceive a 9.0 to be. Personally, Id rank very few movies as a 9 or more, as they'd need to be visually pleasing and fantastically written. Others might say a 9.0 is a good movie with no obvious flaws, so a 9.6 could absolutely be justified.

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Lakeside_Tigger t1_jcco9y7 wrote

96% on RT just means 96% of critics gave the movie a positive review, not that it scored a 9.6/10.

If 96% of critics give it a 6/10 it still gets a 96% RT score.

If a movie has a 100% of critics score it 5/10 the movie gets a 0% for having all negative reviews.

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doktarr t1_jccr9c8 wrote

Be that as it may, Black Panther sports an 88 on Metacritic, which does weight by review score. This makes it far and away the highest rated Marvel movie of all time.

For my part I wouldn't put it there. I thought it was a good movie, but the interesting themes of the movie were muddled by some odd blind spots. I'd easily put Logan, GotG, and Thor Ragnarok above it.

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Corintio22 t1_jcd56zg wrote

100% is not perfect. The way RT work, 100% might mean that 2,000 out of 2,000 film critics gave the movie a 6 out of 10 (therefore a positive review).

RT is bad to assess how good or bad a movie is; but good to assess how much of a consensus there is on if a movie is generally good or bad.

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BelovedOmegaMan t1_jcegjms wrote

What films would you say deserve a score of 9.6 or higher?

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SyriseUnseen t1_jcehcxj wrote

None. Schindlers Liste would probably beat out my list at 9.2 or something, though I doubt Id still think so if I watched it more than once.

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VoraciousFungi t1_jca8200 wrote

Marvel was incredibly bad though. Made Thor the dark world look amazing.

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ruidh t1_jcam67g wrote

I liked Thor the Dark World, too.

I think people just don't like female superheroes.

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ExchangeRadiant2903 t1_jcb8pbd wrote

Wonder Woman was received very well and made a ton of money. Just saying

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ruidh t1_jcb9mn1 wrote

Wonder Woman is also below the 45° line, just NW of Black Panther.

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rammo123 t1_jc9zzu8 wrote

Looks a bit misleading having all the well received DCEU films unlabelled. Makes it look like all the blue is bottom left.

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draypresct t1_jcajnvr wrote

>all the well received DCEU films unlabelled

All three well-received DC movies are unlabeled, yes. There are a dozen or so unlabeled well-received Marvel movies.

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Corintio22 t1_jcd5fgy wrote

Eh, I sorta agree with their point. I like Marve movies way more than DC ones, but I am legit intrigued to know 1 or 2 of the well-received DC ones.

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rammo123 t1_jcdb1x7 wrote

It's disproportionate though. All of the poorly received DCEU films are labelled, while the MCU has a good balance of poorly and well received labels.

If it were totally unlabelled you'd get a far more balanced picture from a glance.

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the_original_Retro t1_jca1ejl wrote

Agree. OP did post a larger fully labelled version, but this one really does "amplify" the color blue's clustering with the increase in labels. This one's a faulty visualization.

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TheINTL t1_jc9tdlz wrote

DC's mistake was trying to match the MCU. They rushed it and didn't fully flesh the story out.

The few movies from DC that I really enjoyed were The Batman, Joker and Suicide Squad 2. Nome of them really tried to push the DCU narrative.

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solarmelange t1_jc9x6ru wrote

I actually thought the fact that they tried to differentiate themselves from Marvel by having all their movies being dark and gritty was the biggest problem. Along with being actually physically dark to the point you can't see what's happening. I would follow the early Marvel pattern of each hero having his own story style for individual movies, with rare teamup movie. Batman movies should always feel a bit film noir and Batman should get his hands dirty on occasion. But heros like Superman or the Flash should have fun and uplifting stories and should always find a way to be fully good.

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jcchurch t1_jccmm14 wrote

I'm really surprised that Shang-Chi was so high up in the corner. The entire time I was watching that movie, I was thinking that they were introducing a character, with family working in the United States, with a mythical back story, but we have to travel to his home in a far off land, and we assemble a team of his fellow citizens to survive a giant defensive battle. This is the same plot as Black Panther.

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neilarmstonk t1_jccxtn7 wrote

I couldn’t agree with you more. It was the “Asian” version of BP. But at least BP had some heart and interesting characters. No one was compelling in Shang-Chi. That ending was God awful.

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Bennito_bh t1_jcdlr8q wrote

I thought Shang-Chi had an incredible first 45 mins-hour, then they shoulda rolled credits

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King-Of-Rats t1_jcaa436 wrote

I truly don’t really understand what’s like…. *up* with “DC guys”.

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Dont get me wrong, it’s all superhero schlock, but DC movies seem consistently bad yet there’s some devout cult around trying to physically support and prop them up like their lives and honor depend on it.

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Brewe t1_jca4tg7 wrote

My guess as to why the DCU movies have such high audience scores is that for 5-10 years it's only been the die hard fans who have bothered.

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Derped_my_pants t1_jcbwftg wrote

Thought Shang-chi was meh. Impressed it was so well received.

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neilarmstonk t1_jccxk81 wrote

That’s high praise compared to me calling it a complete snooze-fest. It probably had the most predictable and generic ending of all Marvel movie. I wish I can pay money to unsee it, along with the Eternals.

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Corintio22 t1_jcd5rxh wrote

Mate, if you had money to "unsee" a movie, use that money for something better, like a cheeseburger.

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aaliyaahson t1_jcat452 wrote

In 2019 after Captain Marvel was review bombed, Rotten Tomatoes came up with a verified audience score system, which only let people who actually bought a ticket for the movie leave a rating.

So the audience scores for movies before and after mid-2019 are not comparable and I wish people would stop making graphs like these without making the distinction.

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ChocolateBunny t1_jcbdj47 wrote

Any chance we can see this for animated movies? Loved flashpoint paradox.

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Bananaman932 t1_jcbtxe0 wrote

Did you put "The Suicide Squad"? I want to see where that lands.

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Bennito_bh t1_jcdlnx8 wrote

If you trade Eternals and Captain Marvel, I'm actually very aligned with the critics on this one

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StuartGotz t1_jcehlul wrote

Heteroscedastic, I'd say. Did you try a Spearman correlation?

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StuartGotz t1_jcehrjk wrote

Since 9/11 , superhero movies/series have become what Westerns were in the 1950s and 1960s. They're ubiquitous and churned out like sausage.

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golamas1999 t1_jcmirjc wrote

And this is why critics are useless.

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Square_Tea4916 t1_jcaj540 wrote

Am I the only one that liked Suicide Squad?

I’m with the critics on Black Adam though. The Rock is what had to lift the audience rating.

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Schadrach t1_jcc78si wrote

>Am I the only one that liked Suicide Squad?

Which one? The second was alright-ish, the first was a handful of action scenes without any kind of real structure to hold it together.

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paleblued00t t1_jcb03tl wrote

One thing I notice is that critics and audience ratings agree in MCU films, whereas in most DCU films critics appear to underrate compared to the audience (notice how "blue films" are above the dotted line)

Also, Captain Marvel seems to stands out for the opposite reason

Edit : why are people downvoting me, I'm literally just reading the graph, I'm not even stating an opinion wth

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MoFauxTofu t1_jcdblof wrote

I said something similar and also got downvoted, but I have a lot more faith in the 3 years of statistics I did at uni than the Reddit hive-mind.

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xylopyrography t1_jcbdq27 wrote

The fact that half of these movies have twice the score they should have says a lot about the film critics.

Half of these films are worse than bad, and the other half are mediocre at best.

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jahwls t1_jc9raxm wrote

Who are the critics and why are they so bad at their job. And who are the people and why does black Adam have suck a high audience score.

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SQLGene t1_jc9v27c wrote

What level of correlation would make a critic "good" at their job in this case? I would expect some divergence between the "quality" of the art and popular appeal. Plenty of us love trashy, awful movies.

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killrdave t1_jcahapq wrote

Critic scores not lining up with audience does not mean the critics are bad. Audience scores get brigaded for one. It also stands to reason that critics search for different values in films than the casual viewer.

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rediditforpay t1_jcapmtv wrote

Superhero movies are generally tired and pedantic

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redline489 t1_jcannmr wrote

I wonder at what point in the future we'll be able to look back and finally admit to ourselves that Black Panther is a terrible movie.

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MoFauxTofu t1_jc9reol wrote

Looks like the critics have a clear favorite, even though that sentiment isn't felt by the audience anywhere near as strongly.

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theXarf t1_jc9uzj1 wrote

Or, the audience voting is highly partisan and people who love/hate either DC or Marvel turn out in great numbers to either inflate the scores of bad movies that they approve of, or to review-bomb arguably better movies that they disapprove of. In case of Captain Marvel, not so much because of their feelings towards the MCU.

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MoFauxTofu t1_jc9ztzr wrote

But it looks like audiences generally like both.

Critic's are the ones who seem to show a clear preference.

I don't understand what in this data supports anything you are saying.

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theXarf t1_jca3lq2 wrote

You seem to be assuming that the "audience" is one homogenous entity, and not different groups of people for each movie. It's far more likely that the people who gave Black Adam a high rating are people who are already DC enthusiasts who may well also dislike MCU movies, rather than this being one netural group of people who have all given their ratings to all the movies on the chart. It shows that some people like all the movies; it does not show that "audiences like both".

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MoFauxTofu t1_jcbq8u2 wrote

>You seem to be assuming that the "audience" is one homogenous entity

Yes, because these are averages. Some audience members prefer one or the other, some people have no allegiance, their scores are combined and averaged which has the effect of balancing out these individual preferences.

Would you agree that:

1.Audiences give DC films an average score of around 75%

  1. Critics give DC films an average score of around 55%

  2. Both audiences and critics give MCU films an average of around 85%

  3. On AVERAGE, audiences show a small (10%) preference for MCU films and critics show a larger (30%) preference for MCU films.

For your theory to be correct, DC fans would have to be much more likely to inflate DC films' scores, but MCU fans would not do that. I don't understand what you see in the data that supports this theory.

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Darkpoulay t1_jc9vn5p wrote

Fuck me, NWH is the most popular MCU with the audience ??? God the marvel fans will eat any garbage as long as it tickles their nostalgia bone

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