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NotTheTimbsMan t1_jd5h838 wrote

Reply to comment by godkiller in [OC] Trade between China and Russia hit a record 190B in 2022, up 30% from 2021. Cargo containers are essential for international trade & the transportation of products. by RobinWheeliams

NATO gives no guarantees to non-members regarding attacks. NATO bombed many countries illegally.

Countries join NATO so they don't get attacked by NATO or to protect their sovereignty (North Macedonia for instance, is now safe from Albanian Extremists/Nationalists who committed terrorist attacks on FYROM soil in hopes of annexing territory.)

The west doesn't want Russia as an ally. They want Russia's resources.

You say Russia has imperialist ambitions. How is USA any better? The only difference is in territorial claims. USA colonizes countries through regime changes. Is China imperialistic too? Why is USA breathing down China's neck?

There are too many fallacies in NATO supporter beliefs.

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godkiller t1_jd5jacr wrote

>The only difference is territorial clams.

A rather significant difference.

The USA regards Russia and China as threats to the freedoms and liberties of a free society. Neither country has any legitimate free press, protections of individual rights, or a system of government that affords its citizens a say in the actions of their governments. That is why Russia and China are dangerous - they are dangerous to the average persons rights and freedoms.

If Russia and China country a free and open society with protections of individual freedoms and representative governments, we would not be having this conversation.

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NotTheTimbsMan t1_jd6wgdo wrote

Poor excuses. None of this should be your concern, USA doesn't care about it's own people let alone 1.3 billion Chinese and 140 million Russians.

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godkiller t1_jd7wdhw wrote

Sorry, you lost this argument and can't waive away the truth by calling them "poor excuses".

The USA and the west haven't always lived up to their own ideals, without a doubt. But we are pretty darn open about our mistakes and bad choices and, ultimately, our ideals are the right ones. Your wrong about what we care about - we definitely care about the freedoms of others because you must fight for freedom for all or you will eventually lose your own freedoms. And of course, without freedom you are someone else's slave at some level.

Maybe start questioning the state propaganda that your clearly been taking to heart. You're on reddit so you must have some access to the wider internet.

...or maybe you are a state sponsored troll yourself. Who knows.

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