Submitted by robert_ritz t3_xulfo3 in dataisbeautiful
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robert_ritz OP t1_iqw30pa wrote
There are ups and downs, but the recent inflationary pressures are the cause of most of the increase.
Check out the meat price time series here: https://www.datafantic.com/content/images/size/w1600/2022/10/meat.png
philman132 t1_iqw999f wrote
The full time graphs you posted in this comment are much more interesting than 2 time points 12 years apart, can see much more clearly when the increases happen
InsuranceToTheRescue t1_iqwpayv wrote
I never realized how much seasonal variation there is on the price of strawberries and grapes. Like, I understood there was seasonal variation but I vastly underestimated how big the swings were.
potatorichard t1_iqwv5xv wrote
As a strawberry/grape fan who lives in the northern Rockies (USA), I am accutely aware of the seasonal variability in prices.
Stonefruits are also highly variable here. Plums can range from $1-$3.50/lb
robert_ritz OP t1_iqy0bv7 wrote
This subreddit is a fickle mistress. I totally agree that the time series is more interesting.
thufir-hawat-9999 t1_iqx499o wrote
If you need to refer us to external sources for your data, what is the point of making that ridiculous graph?
robert_ritz OP t1_iqybazn wrote
Because sometimes one chart doesn’t tell the whole story.
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Nobody4831 t1_iqxg4ch wrote
This graph can be misleading a 5% increase in bacon will look significantly larger than a 5% increase in rice
robert_ritz OP t1_iqxzq5d wrote
Hence the term slope. The slope of the line tells you the rate of change.
Nobody4831 t1_iqy7hwz wrote
Slope will look different 2 to 3 dollars is 50% 4 to 6 is 50% bigger difference the slope portrays a 20 cent change the same, but not a 20% change
robert_ritz OP t1_iqyb7g7 wrote
In percent terms true. I’ll add that chart to the blog post I think.
Alas I can only post one chart at a time here.
RushTfe t1_iqw7227 wrote
And as usual, bananas for scale
Lindvaettr t1_iqwrf5n wrote
Adjusted for inflation, bananas are way cheaper than they were. People with banana based diets are going to be lording their wealth over us any day now.
more_paprika t1_iqx5e4y wrote
As someone who eats 6 bananas a day and gets endlessly teased about it, now I have a come back. Thank you.
pookiedookie232 t1_iqx7rfg wrote
That's only 4 bananas per day when adjusted for inflation
userwhatsit t1_iqymld7 wrote
Bananas are artificially price locked up and down the supply chain. When I worked at a grocery store, we knew that we couldn’t increase banana prices until someone else did.
DMurBOOBS-I-Dare-You t1_iqymqyi wrote
You also have a significant lead should Mario Kart suddenly become an IRL reality.
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Houmand t1_iqx14tl wrote
This is a gross misuse of a line graph. It hurts.
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Lfc-96 t1_iqx5im7 wrote
Can we please not use a line graph for only representing 2 points in time? I get that it’s technically a series but is it really appropriate?...
gianthooverpig t1_iqw9bv3 wrote
This doesn’t specify whether the prices are adjusted for inflation or not
destuctir t1_iqwdtc1 wrote
It’s clearly trying to show inflation
gianthooverpig t1_iqwedro wrote
No… there’s a difference between inflation and the relative change in price of something. That’s why some things have gone up more than others.
Inflation accounts for the real value of money, which lessens over time. Your dollar in 2010 is worth less than your dollar in 2022.
skloob t1_iqwpncu wrote
I think you meant to say “your dollar in 2010 is worth MORE than your dollar in 2022”
gianthooverpig t1_iqwqkop wrote
Sorry. Yes. Got a bit flip flopped there
thufir-hawat-9999 t1_iqx3yq5 wrote
Two data points for every category. This thread posts some stupid shit, but this one takes the cake.
Tomadonna t1_iqwnw10 wrote
Need to use the in between years, or just use a bar graph or scatter plot
Zephos65 t1_iqwjcc7 wrote
I've been a vegetarian for almost 4 years now. Seems to be paying dividends
binz17 t1_iqwu03i wrote
i swapped to plant-based diet a year ago. i've realized that im probably not realizing the benefits of the diet, because ive substituted meat and cheese with highly processed plant-based alternatives. these are NOT healthy and NOT cheaper.
It was likely the easiest way to transition, but now I really want to make the harder jump to a diet of more whole foods.
Zephos65 t1_iqwybky wrote
Yeah I don't really eat that much plant based meat alternatives either. My diet is heavily Asian cuisine. Lots of rice and veggies pretty much. Try to buy things in their simplest form (no frozen stir fry packs or shit like that) and cook everything up myself. Probably the most processed thing I eat is the coconut milk in my Indian dishes. Or maybe the occasional little chunk of chocolate? Or bread/flour/pasta? I sometimes even make my bread/pasta myself lol
double_shadow t1_iqy5c76 wrote
I've seen prices rise on a ton of veggie items too, like for instance Amy's frozen dinners which I used to eat religiously, but they've like doubled in price. Some of the "impossible" burger type stuff is also ludicrously expensive.
But there are certainly tons of really cheap stuff you can do while vegetarian, especially if you make your own meals.
Exam-Artistic t1_iqwe5w6 wrote
I am going to starch diet my way to wealth
Gleethos t1_iqzevix wrote
It's not displayed in the graph, but legume and vegetable prices also did not increase by much...
Phyr8642 t1_iqw4s3n wrote
And that is why I am practically living on rice, beans, potatoes and spaghetti.
Fucking greedy corporate pigs are going to bring this country to ruin.
aVpVfV t1_iqwi7o1 wrote
So this graph leaves out a lot. The fact that an avian influenza strain swept through the US egg farms this year and thousands of flocks were culled and drove prices up significantly by itself The significant drought and heat wave this year hit beef and pig herds hard that drove up prices this year by itself.
The graph OP posted showing a 12 year split doesn't show inflation, although it is in there there, it's not nearly as bad as this bad data graphic implies.
OP posted fruit and veggie graphs that are far more informative.
Financial-Jicama6619 t1_iqwve27 wrote
Meat was never meant to be a commodity that we get most of our calories from. It was meant to be a luxury item, something you add to a meal every now and then. The base should be veggies/grains/legumes. I think it will be better for Americas overall health if less people rely on meat for the majority of their caloric needs. Plenty of countries (Asian) don’t have meat as a main course and they do much better than us, health wise.
jscombs1 t1_iqwk7qy wrote
Looks like chicken fried chicken and rice is back on the men, boys.
CBeisbol t1_iqw1i33 wrote
AKA: another reason to be vegetarian
Either_Pollution_840 t1_iqwjni2 wrote
What are the previous reasons
CBeisbol t1_iqwkhtf wrote
Healthier
Better for the environment
Not killing animals for no reason.
Either_Pollution_840 t1_iqwkpyn wrote
I haven't looked into the heath benefits but that's possible. How would it be better for the environment, and killing animals for consumption is not killing without reason.
stoicinmd t1_iqwn858 wrote
Animal agriculture uses a lot of land and contributes, by some estimates, as much green house gas emissions (primarily methane) as the transportation sector. Most of the corn in the US is grown to feed animals not humans. Converting land that is used to grow animal food to human food would reduce pressure on scarce water resources especially in ranch land out west and reduce dependence on pesticide and herbicides used if we reduced the overall farming footprint.
Here is one source: https://news.stanford.edu/2022/02/01/new-model-explores-link-animal-agriculture-climate-change/
There are many sources if you google something like “greenhouse gas emissions animal agriculture “
binz17 t1_iqwtk21 wrote
ive been trying to be plant-based for a year, mainly for health and environmental reasons. But many of the environmental statistics used to justify veganism are more than a little misleading. not wrong, but probably not as strong as indicated. like lots of crops are grown for meat/dairy animals. but replacing that food source with human vegetables does not use the same farmland. a lot of grazing land is also not suitable for human vegetables. many human vegetables must be irrigted, while grazing land is rain fed.
I still believe that vegetarian/plant-based is better overall, but it's just so hard to get unbiased information.
Gleethos t1_iqziaz6 wrote
I am sceptical of the claim that you cannot grow vegetables (or other plant foods) on grazing lands. If it grows grass and wild flowers how come it is absolutely impossible to grow something else?!! Nowadays we actually grow, water and harvest grass just like we do so with vegetables simply because it is more efficient than letting cows trample all over the grass..., so why not just get rid of the middle man? I also think the water usage would be way less, not only because cows drink a ton of water, but also because we would need to use waaay less land to generate the same amount of calories... Less land means more natural wildlife and forests which translates to replenishment of underground aquifer... Meat eating is not only normal, but a major part of most cultures, so it is to be expected that we look for reasons that support the continuation of something so dear to our hearts, so this whole "we can only use grazing land for meat" kinda sounds like a convenient excuse to me...
Financial-Jicama6619 t1_iqwvvau wrote
There is a documentary called Game Changer on Netflix. It is definitely worth a watch. Plenty of sources cited. I went from a gym rat thinking meat protein is superior and what I tried to get tons of calories from. I mean hey, that’s what my idol, Arnold went by too and the guy had incredible physique. Imagine my surprise when he showed up on this documentary explaining how he was wrong….
Besides that is is just chalked full of eye opening information. Including how meat is bad for our environment (waste, land use, water use compared to plant).
CBeisbol t1_iqykaef wrote
Others have given you some good information
I'll just add - use some common sense
Animals eat plants and convert that to protein (and all kinds of other stuff) which we then eat
Humans just eating the plants would cut out the middle man so to speak. It's just a more efficient system.
VerityParody t1_iqz1k4u wrote
I'm sorry but this is really bad.
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sbr_then_beer t1_iqwnzcy wrote
This would be a lot more informative if in relative terms...
Also: Yay for vegetarian items! Less resource intensive foods are less susceptible to inflation. Who would have thought!?
rocker_01 t1_iqwqmpv wrote
So bananas are inflation proof. Thanks.
JustSaya t1_iqwrxmt wrote
Giving the linear view here. Would be interesting to see compared side-by-side to a 2020-2022 graph made in the same sense. Also interesting how pork does not seem to change that much, but bacon exploded. The more processed it is I would guess in this case?
Dks_scrub t1_iqwxztl wrote
Time to eat a shit ton of rice, potatoes, banana, and flour.
Who wants banana bread and curry?
i__Sisyphus t1_iqwy6r8 wrote
Anyone got a recipe that uses Rice, Potatos, Bananas and flour?
Shesalabmix t1_iqx80e2 wrote
Buckle up because meat is about to fucking crazy.
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deshudiosh t1_iqxqhic wrote
Damn, prices moved up more this year alone in my country, percentage wise, than they moved in US for 12 years...
New-Post-7586 t1_iqxw399 wrote
Having a data point every six or so months would be very helpful. Straight lines don’t really illustrate much context
JanssonsFrestelse t1_iqz2d2m wrote
Percentage increase since the starting year instead of absolute dollar amounts would also help.
DMurBOOBS-I-Dare-You t1_iqymmow wrote
*flex* Me getting under $5 a pound bacon at Costco ... thick sliced and smoked to boot.
BloonDoggy t1_iqyu7ub wrote
Amazing! Back in 2010 they were putting bacon in everything. That seems to have passed and yet the price of bacon has gone up so much
brooklyncomedyfan t1_iqzdb4y wrote
The scale of this is bad. It's clear to see that things like bacon and beef have doubled in price, while down at the bottom the rice, potatoes, bananas, and flour lines all look about the same - though on closer inspection you see bananas and flour are flat, while potatoes have also basically doubled. You should probably use either a % change metric or a log scale on the y-axis.
[deleted] t1_ir0go7e wrote
Can confirm, sliced bacon doubled in price in the past year and a half.
jeesuscheesus t1_ir3mzby wrote
Two data points? It's a weak statistic because we don't know if any short-term fluctuations affected the price during those two precious instances in 2010 or 2022
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robert_ritz OP t1_iqw0rvv wrote
Data gathered from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics. Prices are the US city average not adjust for inflation.
Tools used: Python, Matplotlib, Deepnote
I also wrote a blog with other insights, including that bananas haven’t increased significantly in price in over 10 years. Blog with more graphs here.
thufir-hawat-9999 t1_iqx521n wrote
You needed a python program to come up with a graph that has two data points?
PeruanoLiberal t1_iqwu12j wrote
Americans discover inflation
timf5758 t1_iqw27cf wrote
If you can get data for every year or every other year, then we can see a trend.
At this point we cannot tell if the raise in price is just a recent event ? Or has the past few years the price being steadily increasing? Or the price is actually on the decline from a previous peak. A lot has happened in 12 years of time.