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alison359 OP t1_iqzwcwq wrote

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Source: Democracy index 2021; The China Challenge

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Alternative-Look8413 t1_iqzwos9 wrote

Is this average democracy index for all F1 venues by year? If so your title might confuse - this kinda makes it look like there's one F1 race per year.

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sexy_wash_bucket t1_ir05hny wrote

This should be discrete rather than continuous.

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dog_superiority t1_ir05i5o wrote

As if full democracies are not flawed.

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Eosir_ t1_ir0af9a wrote

Flawed means "not really democratic" here. Full democracy mean "as democratic as possible". I think 0 countries have a grade 10, and nobody said that a full democracy was a flawless country.

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dog_superiority t1_ir0bqg3 wrote

I get that.... my point is using the word "flawed" here is probably itself flawed. Pure Democracy sucks balls. That is why the US Founding Fathers wanted nothing to do with it.

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Eosir_ t1_ir0c16j wrote

Hahaha using the US as an example of why flawed democracy is good is honestly hilarious ! Good one here. Loving it. The US is indeed doing so great, right ? ... Right ??

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dog_superiority t1_ir0cp94 wrote

If the SCOTUS did their job and actually restricted the other branches from violating the constitution, then it would be doing a whole lot better. We have degraded into a near democracy. That's the the problem.

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Eosir_ t1_ir0ct1z wrote

And frankly the founding father were probably great guys with great ideas, but if your political views and project are the same as people 300 years ago, let's face it they probably suck. You know what made founding father interesting figures ? They wanted novelty, innovation, new ideas. You're doing the exact opposite clinging to a 300 years old text, and that is betraying their very spirit. And considering the political innovation spirit those guys showed, they'd be ashamed to see people use their names to prevent any change and adaptation to the current times and problematics. They did the exact opposite.

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Eosir_ t1_ir0dgjw wrote

Not democracy. Assault weapon are newer, require new laws. Universal healthcare is newer. Same sex marriage. Ban on all racial laws. Many, many things are newer, require new laws, new way to function. Abortion. But no, "tHe FOunDiNg FatErs DidN't PuT It In de CONstiTUtiOn"

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Eosir_ t1_ir0fdh9 wrote

I don't need to read the Constitution.

First, it's a 300 years old document that is widely obsolete because of it's age. It could be much better if some violently backward dickheads didn't refuse to update it for the last 50 years (one update in 50 years. One. 30 years ago, when Internet was some lab experiment that grew).

Second, I'm not a US citizen, so I'll simply let you buy bulletproof backpack for your kids and put aside 10 000 $ either to pay your health insurance or in case you would brake you ankle someday, and go do something more productive with my time.

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Eosir_ t1_ir0fmt8 wrote

Just kidding. I'll keep browsing Reddit.

The rest I wasn't kidding.I know it's not original as a take on the US, but there is a very good reason everyone make the same take : it unbelievable considering how much money you have. Half your population lives like third world when you have one of the highest GDP per capita in the world.

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Steve_the_Stevedore t1_ir0hwru wrote

Where do you get the definition from? It's not what I remember from school. Wikipedia says the same thing my teachers taught me:

>A republic (from Latin res publica 'public affair') is a form of government in which "supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives".

Do you disagree with that definition?

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dog_superiority t1_ir0lcqn wrote

In a pure democracy, the majority could vote themselves the wealth of the minority. It would be like 2 guys out "voting" a woman to gang rape her.

A constitution is meant to deny the government the ability to infringe on rights without strict due process (like warrants, juries, etc.) So in that condition, even if the guys voted to gang rape the woman, the constitution would disallow it.

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dog_superiority t1_ir0lr5b wrote

A constitutional republic is a democracy with limitations. That even if a 90% majority votes to infringe on the rights of 10%, the constitution would not allow it (without due process like warrants, juries, etc.).

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contactdeparture t1_ir0q95g wrote

Why not show each race as a point. And move the F1 out of the graph - at first glance I thought that was the data!

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Terebo04 t1_ir0r0ru wrote

The line between definitions is definitely thin. but in a practical sense not every republic is a democracy. they might say they "rule for the people" but de facto it ends up being a tyranny/autocracy

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Steve_the_Stevedore t1_ir0t66l wrote

>The line between definitions is definitely thin. but in a practical sense not every republic is a democracy.

I'm not asking you if there is a difference but what that difference is. I am sure every republic necessarily is a democracy. Res publicas: "supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives". How could you get this without a democratic process?

> they might say they "rule for the people" but de facto it ends up being a tyranny/autocracy

How could you argue that it is a republic then? If it's not the people ruling than it's not a republic. North Korea calls itself democratic, I don't suppose you would believe them, would you?

Please excuse my impatience. I feel like we are running circles. Could you describe a state that is a republic - not by claiming to be one but by fulfilling the definition that the power lies with the people and their elected officials - but not a democracy?

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Terebo04 t1_ir0tyxd wrote

the way i see it, a republic is a country without monarch (so no hereditary power), a democracy is when a country is ruled by the people or their representatives.
So if the ruler of a country is only chosen by a handful powerful people, i wouldn't consider it a democracy but i would consider it a republic.

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Steve_the_Stevedore t1_ir0vmec wrote

That is a good explanation! I can see how that would apply to certain states that called themselves republics (Venice, Lübeck) and it's a definition that makes sense (although I would say that the word republic would imply something else to me). Thank you!

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Caspi7 t1_ir0vwxa wrote

NKorea is authoritarian, whether you call yourself a republic or monarchy or even a democracy has nothing to do with the system that is actually in place.

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chuckfr t1_ir0wv1s wrote

There are non-flawed democracies?

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nsfwtttt t1_ir0ydwf wrote

This graph could’ve been a sentence.

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efs120 t1_ir0zcgm wrote

This is a poor and uninteresting use of the data that tells you little about where F1 events are held. Someone unfamiliar with the sport would have no idea about all the races that take place in authoritarian regimes based on this chart.

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dog_superiority t1_ir10dhf wrote

Well the criteria is very important. For example, no matter how the people, or representatives vote, they should not be able to restrict rights, unless that also expands rights. For example, infringing on the liberty of murderers (by throwing them in jail) protects more rights than to let them murder at will. But even then, the government must follow due process to do so.

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SaffronBanditAmt t1_ir127sg wrote

Makes sense since 2021 had Turkey, Russia and Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar and UAE

No Turkey, Russia or Qatar this year so a higher score.

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Steve_the_Stevedore t1_ir1f4g7 wrote

I don't see how having a constitution in itself would prevent this though or how a constitution would be necessary to prevent this.

The law defines due process. If a constitution said that the police could search any home at any time under any condition then random searches would be due process.

On the other hand you have countries like the UK that do not have a constitution in the literal sense but the powers of the executive are restraint anyway. Maybe (as above) not in the way you would want them to be but they could be. I don't see any reason why it should be impossible to have the restraints you mentioned without a constitution.

Where does the "constitution" in you constitutional republic come from?

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dog_superiority t1_ir1gww3 wrote

You would need something like a SCOTUS (that actually does their job) too. If a state tried to change the law to say the police could search any home at any time, then the SCOTUS should shut that down. Of course, if everybody in government just ignored it, the the constitution would have no teeth nor a purpose. But of course the society would quickly go down the shitter too.

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petwri123 t1_ir1rzhk wrote

Assuming every point is the avg per year, avg + std-dev would be way more interesting.

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Keith4Change t1_ir2iu5x wrote

I love how they cancelled Russia and still raced in Saudi Arabia lol hilarious.

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akraval t1_ir4inef wrote

This is so fcking true I cried when i read it. I hate authoritarian states like USA or Canada. That's why I love Latifi so much

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Potatopeelerkind t1_ir4l98q wrote

NGL, I thought this was a joke post where the F1 logo was meant to look like a trendline at first.

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wayneamartin t1_ir96yub wrote

FIA seems pretty authoritarian to me, I do not understand this data. :)

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