StranglesMcWhiskey t1_ir5yqlr wrote
Reply to comment by 857477458 in [OC] Ethnic Differences in Representation for Bachelor/Master Degree Holders in the US (2019) by icywatermelons
Even if this was the truth, and 'Democrats' had so much ability to influence education, how do you then explain the results for the asian demographic?
857477458 t1_ir5zy5a wrote
Asian culture stresses education ridiculously hard. Also, most Asian immigrants are well off.
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DavidWaldron t1_ir9jsvh wrote
This is a popular idea, but it’s mostly false. The main reasons immigrant groups today are unusually successful is the same as it has been throughout American history: with a few exceptions, immigrant groups are selected from the higher socioeconomic strata of their home countries. This is partly because mobile people tend to be wealthier and more educated in the first place, but it’s also a function of our immigration restrictions.
A recent book by Leah Boustan and Ran Abramitzy covers this topic over the past century. Research by Ed Lazear covers the part about how current country-specific numerical limits function to select higher-educated groups.
drugsr4lozers t1_ir7cdzz wrote
Do you have a source to backup the claim of “most Asian immigrants are well off”?
drugsr4lozers t1_ir7rz9p wrote
Yep, doesn’t provide a source and just downvotes. Random numbers of a username only make you look like more of a bot 🤖
StranglesMcWhiskey t1_ir65w5p wrote
So democrats have so much power that they can influence education so strongly against Hispanics, but despite them actively trying to hold other PoC (besides, 'black' people, the only recognized minority) back, those of Asian cultures can not only overcome this bias, but thrive despite it?
Any-Bottle-4910 t1_ir6ey9z wrote
Strangely, African immigrants do exceptionally well, despite the exact same outward appearance. Why?
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Any-Bottle-4910 t1_ir753c4 wrote
I’m not ready to make those claims
GottaVentAlt t1_ir796zi wrote
Mindset which is heavily shaped by environment. Recent immigrants usually have strong enclaves/communities with a lot of social cohesion and support for each other. On the other hand, US and more local policies have been pretty directly responsible for the weakening of certain communities and reducing opportunities. Some of these policies, like redlining, were a long time ago but still have clear rippling effects on investment into these communities.
It's not "playing victim" when you and your recent ancestors were absolutely victimized by the society you live in.
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GottaVentAlt t1_ir8d776 wrote
Victimized but got away from it. It is exceedingly difficult to "escape" poverty and the culture that goes with it when there isnt another place accepting you. Immigrants here typically have a very different support network than some poor kid in the bad part of town, who is born here into the systems (or legacies of the systems) that have kept them down. Even if that kid has a great mindset and works hard, the cards are stacked against them succeeding. I had a good friend I went to community college with, who had been arrested for breaking up a fight at school. His school had more cops than college councilors. He talked about this stuff a lot, because he was one of the only people from his class who went on to college and it upset him, obviously.
And what does success look like for someone like that? Leaving their family and neighborhood behind? Essentially becoming an immigrant in their own country? It's complicated. That's what a lot of successful people end up doing, because otherwise, they can't be very successful, because of the lack of investment into these communities means there's not much opportunity. These pioneers leaving continues to keep the investment out and the poverty concentrated. Its a cycle.
The mindset, if that's the issue, isn't going to easily change without serious investment into poor communities. The culture didn't develop out of nowhere.
857477458 t1_ir6659q wrote
Well, I wouldn't say Asians are thriving. They should be far more successful if not for affirmative action.
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