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Low-Fisherman-9468 t1_iu2mxlu wrote

Yeah obviously, affirmative action doesn't attack the real problem. Broken culture, broken families, and broken windows.

Also, university here in America need to be reworked to be 95% US citizen. It is ridiculous that talented students are being rejected to keep that sweet international student tuition. This would help Asian and White Americans who are being cheated.

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demetrixjennings t1_iu2qak4 wrote

I agree AA doesn’t fix the problem. But hard-working, talented people who are passionate about bringing their skills to the US shouldn’t be allowed to go just because they weren’t born there? That’s totally out of their control. That just shifts the problem to somewhere else

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The-Jolly-Llama t1_iu327hu wrote

In concept that’s true, but in my 3 years as a grad student at a top ranked R1 university, I saw an awful lot of international students who couldn’t string an English sentence together to save their lives, wasting lots of tuition money on a program they were really ill-prepared for, because the school just kept accepting them and flunking them (or shoving them through, depending on the particular flavor of lazy professor they had) just to collect that sweet, sweet, international tuition money.

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wrenwood2018 t1_iu30ijx wrote

We should definitely take as much top talent as possible. However many public schools are there with a mission to educate the population of that state. So if local students are displaced for international ones there is a conflict between that and the desire to scoop up international talent.

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Bad_Adam1917 t1_iu3avu7 wrote

Take a look at the STEM faculty in any top school in the US. A decent proportion will be foreigners who came to the US to do a Masters/PHD and now produce cutting research, all thanks to them being allowed to study in this country.

The issue with completing your education outside the US and then coming in is that it usually limits you to just industry. If you want to get into academia, you’ll need some kind US credentials or it doesn’t work.

And banning these people from US academia will very seriously damage US competitiveness because such people are in short supply everywhere in the world, meaning they could produce that cutting edge research elsewhere if the US bans them.

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Fun_Designer7898 t1_iu3a6t7 wrote

Because US education is incomparably better than the majority of where the foreign students come from

There was an analysis done a couple of years ago that found out that the most elite chinese, russian or indian computer science student at their countries version of an Ivy League, are quite a bit worse than the -average- computer science student in the US.

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tobetossedout t1_iu2zc0l wrote

>Broken culture, broken families, and broken windows

Is some white supremacist bullshit, just ignore that person and move on.

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wrenwood2018 t1_iu30d94 wrote

>Also, university here in America need to be reworked to be 95% US citizen. It is ridiculous that talented students are being rejected to keep that sweet international student tuition. This would help Asian and White Americans who are being cheated.

This to me is a major problem. There are way, way, way too many international students at many public universities. They are mostly there because their tuition is so high it is a windfall for the school. Unfortunately it often means we are training individuals who go back to a foreign country and undertraining our own population.

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685327593 t1_iu32gt0 wrote

The US training foreign elites is how we export our culture to the rest of the world. It's very intentional.

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