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OrangeJuiceAlibi t1_ishkdai wrote

This strikes me as basically being the US. Must be about 70% of the total population? Half the names on your list don't/barely exist in the UK or Australia.

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Modem_56k t1_isjfv3f wrote

>Blair

My first thought was Tony once reading that

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Starzz_1 t1_isj1cgf wrote

Well the US makes up most of the population of those countries combined so yes basically just the US

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byJoanic OP t1_ishmny9 wrote

Most probably but I don't know. Source data is not that clear.

I would focus rather on the unisex-ness of these names (in English) rather than their popularity. Also, some of those might be really old.

However, I have found names like Mckinley which I think is quite Scotish.

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OrangeJuiceAlibi t1_ishnuq0 wrote

I think they're connected though. A lot of these names are only unisex in America, maybe in Canada, but they don't even exist in the UK, or Australia.

>names like Mckinley which I think is quite Scotish.

As a surname, might be Scottish. As a first name though, no.

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AFatz t1_islmg24 wrote

I mean, that's where a lot of first names came from, family last names. Most people only have one last name but 2 parents who probably didn't have the same last name.

Example: my friend is named Riley. His great grandmother's maiden name was O'Reilly. Also work with a guy named Jackson, which is his mother's maiden name.

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jelhmb48 t1_isizwql wrote

Mckinley as a first name is 100% American and not Scottish.

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JAK3CAL t1_isjcqy4 wrote

I was gonna say, I doubt this is US bc some of these names are firmly female names. Jackie, Kerry, Quinn, etc… those are not unisex names in the US. In my region at least

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OrangeJuiceAlibi t1_isjdgbn wrote

They may have been previously? There's almost 150 years worth of names used for the states. The whole thing is a bit off tbh.

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JAK3CAL t1_isje5z1 wrote

Fair point; but if still expect to encounter older generations with these names. This is odd

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uatme t1_ishrsph wrote

Who actually names there kid just 'Pat' or is this assuming nicknames/abbreviations?

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Michael90_Denmark t1_isizvlo wrote

I'm more concerned about parents who name their kids Dick

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byJoanic OP t1_isj1a60 wrote

Dick,M,29348,

Dick,F,48,

:|

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wick319end019en t1_isj9rsg wrote

Surely the women named Dick must have a transliterated non-english name, right?

Or maybe they're escorts who changed their name to be an advert e.g Mrs D Rider, Mrs D Hunter, Mrs D Spitz, Mrs D Browning, and of course, Mrs D Burns.

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jaytano t1_isjdy42 wrote

To this day, I can't hear the name 'Pat' without thinking of the old SNL skit that was riotous at the time...

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Joosh93 t1_isj8iyv wrote

Usually short for Patsey or Patrick I would guess.

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EatShitLeftWing t1_islwpxf wrote

Traditionally if a woman was called Pat her actual name is probably Patricia

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EatShitLeftWing t1_islwm9h wrote

It's somewhat common now to not use a nickname and rather just give the child the short name officially

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trentgibbo t1_isiup6m wrote

It's totally pointless adding in other countries data as it isn't significant enough to change the US data. As an aussie I've never even heard some of those names.

The top ones for Australia would probably be something like Morgan and Ashley.

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Vercintrix t1_isiyhq6 wrote

I refuse to believe Morgan is used on girls, and Ashley should only be for girls

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pleisto_cene t1_isj3d7y wrote

Live in Australia, know way more women called Morgan than men. Totally normal

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Vercintrix t1_isk8a74 wrote

Qld here, only know Morgan as male

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trentgibbo t1_islof09 wrote

Well sir, I also live in qld so you haven't met many people then.

To name a few -

There is a girl called Morgan on the amazing race right now.

There is an olympian called Morgan Mitchell

My cousins name is Morgan (a girl).

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Augen76 t1_isj4ryt wrote

I know a couple Morgans, all women.

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malthar76 t1_isjbsgk wrote

I’ve met 3 male Ashleys, but 2 were from UK.

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JanitorKarl t1_isko8yk wrote

The only Morgans i know are female, outside of Morgan Freeman.

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EatShitLeftWing t1_islwt27 wrote

That's interesting considering I know counterexamples for both of those.

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Jolly_Extension_1460 t1_isi1jrb wrote

where is my borl jessie :c

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byJoanic OP t1_isj0db2 wrote

Jessie,M, 113014

Jessie,F, 172923

With a (male_count - female_count) / (male_count + female_count) of -0.2095 it was set apart.

It would have been one of the most popular with a different criteria. Sorry mate :(

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Names like Alex are a priori unisex, however, I wanted to consider only the most "gender neutral" in practice (in the sense of that formula):

Alex,M,286229,

Alex,F,9486,

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FluffyTid t1_isjk30i wrote

I would had bet on Alex as first without a second doubt

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ThePreciseClimber t1_isiofaq wrote

Emerson is a girl name? It, quite literally, means Emer's SON.

It's not like the true meaning got lost to ages or something. :P

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SincereJustice t1_iskftil wrote

Ashley, Stacy, Allison, Lindsay, Dana, Loren/Lauren, and Evelyn all used to be boys name

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beene282 t1_isje1ip wrote

It’s a surname originally, obviously. If a woman changes her name when she marries, many parents in North America use her original name as a first name for a first child. The fact it ends -son is irrelevant. There are no gender specific surnames in most languages.

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ThePreciseClimber t1_isjgkzp wrote

>If a woman changes her name when she marries, many parents in North America use her original name as a first name for a first child.

I have NEVER heard of this before. Not a lot of Kowalski Johnsons running around. If anything, the child might use both their parents' surnames as a double surname, not a first name. :P

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beene282 t1_islj1zp wrote

Not sure why I’m getting downvoted. Literally the majority of my female friends have done this, and many others I know. Just because you don’t know anyone who did it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

I was just trying to explain why Emerson is sometimes a girl’s name, and that is definitely one of the reasons.

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SpiderFarter t1_isho138 wrote

Can’t believe Mulva isn’t on the list

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goosebattle t1_isj4y6t wrote

Gretchen, stop trying to make Mulva happen. It's not going to happen.

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BornAgainTristan t1_isi3cnh wrote

Hey, why did they leave out New Zealand 😁

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goteamnick t1_isj1cnl wrote

Australian here. All these names feel very American.

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IAM_THE_LIZARD_QUEEN t1_isj32wn wrote

Brit here, 100% agree. Either I've never met anyone with the name, or it's all been exclusively male or female.

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Alas7ymedia t1_isl1re8 wrote

I see a problem with Jaime, which is how you write James in Spanish. A lot of Hispanic boys named Jaime would skew the data.

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Zeeto17 t1_ishx6jw wrote

I feel bad for the gals named Robbie

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Cozy_Artichoke t1_isicx3z wrote

My mom's name is Robbie, she was named after my great-grandmother. I think it's cute!

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OrangeJuiceAlibi t1_isiuwgv wrote

It's short for Roberta or Robert. Same as Pat being on the list, which you'd assume is short for Patricia or Patrick. There's more than a few flaws with this list.

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kaam00s t1_isir9e6 wrote

Frankie being unisex in anglo countries is so hilarious. It's so masculine in french that it was used as an insult "you're sister's named frank"

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byJoanic OP t1_ishj6nm wrote

Source of the data: https://archive.ics.uci.edu/ml/datasets/Gender+by+Name

Edit: Tool: Matplotlib and python

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-US: Baby Names from Social Security Card Applications - National Data, 1880 to 2019

-UK: Baby names in England and Wales Statistical bulletins, 2011 to 2018

-Canada: British Columbia 100 Years of Popular Baby names, 1918 to 2018

-Australia: Popular Baby Names, Attorney-General's Department, 1944 to 2019

I only considered those that satisfy that: |male_count - female_count| / (male_count + female_count) <= 0.2

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A longer list (sorted by total count):

Riley, Casey, Jackie, Jaime, Kerry, Frankie, Quinn, Pat, Emerson, Robbie, Emery, Justice, Blair, Amari, Carey, Elisha, Kris, Finley, Stevie, Shea, Alva, Mckinley, Ivory, Armani, Jaylin, Lavern, Devyn, Leighton, Arden, Santana

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English is not my first language and I am really new to data science, sry if there are mistakes.

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MidnightPale3220 t1_isifoqi wrote

Tbh as a European I wasn't aware of most of these names being unisex.

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fghtffyrrss t1_isiuvzk wrote

You’re missing half the countries that make up the UK (Scotland, Northern Ireland)

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alexllew t1_isj9vy5 wrote

Scotland and N Ireland probably wouldn't affect the numbers very much though tbf

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swift_spades t1_isjm6kk wrote

They are using 140 years of US names v less than 10 from the UK so none of the UK numbers really make a difference.

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EatShitLeftWing t1_islx7mh wrote

That plus for Canada he's using only one province's data (out of like 10 provinces)

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pheellprice t1_isijy7d wrote

It would be interesting to split the chart also by country, or make county specific charts

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OrangeJuiceAlibi t1_isj5k7e wrote

Or just make individual charts for Canada, England and Wales, and Australia, as this list is just the US.

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OrangeJuiceAlibi t1_isj5vry wrote

>-UK: Baby names in England and Wales Statistical bulletins, 2011 to 2018

-Canada: British Columbia 100 Years of Popular Baby names, 1918 to 2018

So not Canada, just BC, and not the UK, just England and Wales, which aren't the same thing. I mean, they'll show the same data, as England in the UK, is the US in your chart, but still it feels disingenuous to call it the UK when it isn't.

Also look at those years, 139 years for the US, 100 years for British Columbia, 75 for Australia, and 7 for England and Wales. I find it difficult to believe this doesn't somewhat skew this data.

Really this chart is just "gender neutral names in the US over a century and a half".

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Tha0bserver t1_isjck22 wrote

FYI I would remove Canada if you’re only using date from BC which is like 15% of canadas population.

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CowPropeller t1_isjg8ps wrote

Very interesting data however I'd have used a horizontal barplot instead of vertical, to allow for the only information we need to be bigger and more readable : the names (+social media pictures are rather portrait than landscape due to ghe fact that they're often browsed on mobile phones). Hope that helped!

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mx440 t1_ishsup8 wrote

There are people naming their kids Pat, still? Oof

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TracyMorganFreeman t1_ishwcqq wrote

I'm betting it's just combining Patricia and Patrick, both of which are abbreviated to the same thing, unlike for example Michael and Michelle.

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beene282 t1_isjdkw4 wrote

Looking at the numbers, I’m guessing this is total population, not babies born this year. A lot of old Pats.

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Redriley89 t1_isig7h1 wrote

Finally a Reddit post with my name in it!

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brianybrian t1_isj5ooa wrote

It’s amazing how many of these are bastardisations of Irish names, particularly surnames.

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ceesaar00 t1_isk9ygd wrote

Emerson lmao. That's a boy's name, come on...

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pato9097 t1_isit5rc wrote

Might just name my kid Cork after seeing this

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eric5014 t1_isix2ec wrote

It would be interesting seeing the gender breakdown varies by country. In Australia Riley is usually male, Jackie is usually female, Jaime is both but rare, Kerry is both, Pat is both (and more common), Robbie is male and some of the others I've never heard of.

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xvertigo_ t1_isj0g3w wrote

Strange choice to group the data by gender for gender neutral names.

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byJoanic OP t1_isj2gux wrote

That's right. Quite ironic indeed!

I wanted to look for those names that have escaped the dichotomial tradition and have not fallen into one normative gender in practice.

It shows the contigency of it since it proves that gender-neutral names exist and also, perhaps only as a curiosity, which names would be the hardest to assume their gender.

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Tha0bserver t1_isjcp1u wrote

I really liked it groupes this way. Shows that they are truly used by both genders.

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xvertigo_ t1_isjdu94 wrote

Yeah but “both” genders is precisely why I don’t think it’s an appropriate grouping. It’s exclusive of gender non conforming people whom, I’d imagine, make up a significant portion of the sample for gender neutral names. While it may not be reported in the source data, a non negligible portion of the sample population may have legally changed their name to a gender neutral name without legally changing their gender.

  1. Its possibly not an accurate representation given that trans men may be reported as women and vice Verda.

  2. It reduces gender to a binary which is not an appropriate framing when gender neutrality is a component of the question (as is the case here)

A better grouping might be name as assigned at birth vs legally adopted name or self reported gender including non binary identities. If binary gender is the only possible grouping in the source data I’d question the usefulness of aggregating by group.

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Tha0bserver t1_isjf6f3 wrote

Ok I see where you’re coming from and agree 100%. Too bad there aren’t better data on gender. I suspect that the “gender” listed are actually sex.

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Mattm519 t1_isj7uhb wrote

The ones near the bottom are kind of bad names so I can understand

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kanmani456 t1_isjajee wrote

Nice. In a professional setting these women will get extra respect and attention as long they don’t reveal their face or voice.

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zoinkability t1_isjb359 wrote

Guessing most of those male Jaimes are pronounced quite a bit differently from the female ones

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MichaelEmouse t1_isjh3el wrote

Do they also tend to be very white names?

Is there a tendency for unisex names to be given less to boys?

How come some names start becoming unisex?

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cn45 t1_isjh93p wrote

THE DAY OF THE CASEY’s IS COMING!

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thatfuckinghoser t1_isjmhqk wrote

What about Spencer or Hunter I know lots of those

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Zoloch t1_isjmt29 wrote

Jaime is male name in Spanish (literally James), so seeing it also as a girl’s name in English seems quite weird

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Tax_Man_63 t1_iskyryk wrote

I’m surprised Dana’s not on the list.

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tamadeangmo t1_isli5of wrote

Most of those sure, Emerson is definitely an odd one and have never associated that with unisex.

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Tutipups t1_ismduwu wrote

these names sure aren't canadian

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s0lesearching117 t1_isogyej wrote

The only name on this list I'd even consider for my child is Jackie... and only for a girl.

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