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MIIMK t1_itfwhej wrote

Reply to comment by close_my_eyes in [OC] Chances to attend a "Grande Ecole (Top university) in France. If you want to attend "ENA", the best university in France, you have 330x chances if your father graduated from there. by pacmanpill

Intelligence is highly hereditary in developed countries, so I guess it should work aswell

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Tyranith t1_itglcb8 wrote

What you mean is wealth and life opportunities are 'hereditary'

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MIIMK t1_itgp2rw wrote

No I meant that IQ is highly heritable, although there is a correlation between wealth and IQ

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Mwakay t1_itgrl73 wrote

IQ is indeed somewhat inheritable. However, you're assuming France is a perfectly meritocratic country. I'll burst your bubble there : it really isn't.

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MIIMK t1_itgtibw wrote

I never assumed that, I really just said IQ was heritable

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Mwakay t1_itgu08f wrote

Don't serve me that "I didn't say this" bullshit. Your original comment stated that inheritability of intelligence meant that no matter the parent who went to a Grande École, it should give a similar chance for the kid to enter one. Unless your parents lacked IQ, I'm very positive you knew what you meant there, and that's what I refuted.

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MIIMK t1_itgvua9 wrote

Ok, I'll explain my reasoning so you can understand : We observe that if one's father went to a GE, one has a higher chance of getting in the GE. However, we know that the GE's selection system is based upon highly difficult maths exams, and that IQ is in large part inheritable. Thus we can assume that we will see more or less the same trend if we replace "father" by "mother".

You're making weird appeals to motives, probably because you're the one who got his little socialist worldview burst.

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Mwakay t1_ithdq71 wrote

Very interesting ! At least when it comes to studying the behaviour of hateful eugenists. But I suppose it's easily to become insulting when your poisonous rhetoric is being pointed out.

Whether you accept it or not, it's notorious that social mobility is extremely hard in France. The very fact that you have x25 chances of entering a Grande École when you live in Paris is revelating, especially when you know parisian candidates are a minority. Your attempt at pushing the discourse that you're 330 times more likely to get into ENA after your father did on grounds of IQ alone is ridiculous. You could talk about IQ if you had x100 chances of getting into ENA when you had a certain grade average in school or something, but that's not the case.

We're talking social reproduction and you're babbling genetic reproduction, probably because your disastrous neoliberal "based" worldview doesn't fit with the facts presented here.

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MIIMK t1_itho9eh wrote

Sorry I don't have time to lose! Keep hating on rather than trying to understand and don't forget to downvote and to put a reply nobody will read

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