Submitted by rosetechnology t3_yjarqg in dataisbeautiful
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rosetechnology OP t1_iums5l6 wrote
Source: NHTSA
Generated using Rose AI
There is a lot of variance in the number of child pedestrian deaths on Halloween night (in 2020 there were 0 but in 2019 there was only one), which is speculated to be because Halloween is falling on different nights of the week each year.
The average for this time period on Halloween night is ~4.
See the chart here.
IDontWearAHat t1_iumtly8 wrote
Seen many subs post reminders to drive careful on halloween. In the comments was always at least one who took it as a personal attack.
TomaCzar t1_iumttzn wrote
I get it, but it's kind of obvious. My question would be, why the super low lows. What's happening on those days? My first guess was national holidays, but there doesn't seem to be much of a lull during the summer months, if at all, so I don't think it makes much sense to correlate it with days off from school.
Unless it's not just days off from school, but also decreased attendance at work. National holidays would mean time off from school and work (for most) and might account for a steep decline. IDK, just random guessing without the source data.
davvblack t1_iumvvri wrote
the scale is low enough that that's just random noise. the lows are only 6ish deaths below the median.
magnus_lzy t1_iumwoda wrote
This is interesting....and depressing
nethobo t1_iumz8nf wrote
I can totally see how this is a thing.
I almost hit a child last night. A mom (assuming relation for brevity) took her hand off her child for just long enough to pick up a smaller kid. He took the opportunity to run right to the next house, across the street. Fortunately I was going like 10mph at most because I know the neighborhood, and was watching closely. Still only had a couple of feet to spare due to reaction time.
No one was hurt and the little purple dinosaur got a scolding. Hopefully he learned to keep an eye out for cars. I would not have been able to live with myself if I had hit him.
IAMCHEESE24 t1_iumzadw wrote
and people still do this stupid pegan BS. Just buy candy for your kids and let them ware costumes for a day. But letting them walk around alone in the night cause "its hAlOWrenn" is just dumb.
But I would like to grasp on this opportunity to congratulate to the US again on killing children much more succesfuly than any other western country. Lets go "greatest nation"...
(sarcasm)
deeoh t1_iun0tem wrote
> I would not have been able to live with myself if I had hit him.
Exactly. No matter who would actually be at fault, I would be devastated.
matthewtheninja t1_iun8q7m wrote
Walkable cities is the answer
matthewtheninja t1_iun8ve7 wrote
This is why designing our entire society around the personal vehicle is dumb, not Halloween.
Zoralliah_Author t1_iun9j7p wrote
I'd be interested in seeing that kind of variance incorporated into the graph somehow, since mere totals obscures this info. Looking at the data, I see this is from the US. That's also a good thing to incorporate into your title or as a mention for your data source.
ar243 t1_iunbgia wrote
Can you r/fuckcars guys just... not annoy everyone else for five minutes on this sub
SSChicken t1_iund1l0 wrote
At first glance it looks terrible, but I think there's more to the story than "Halloween is dangerous for kids". This would be like saying more kids die in skiing accidents between Oct-Mar than Apr-Sept. It looks like about 2.5 times as many kids are killed on Halloween than any other day of the year, but from my experience there are far far more than 2.5 times as many kids out walking around. I'd say 10-20 times as many kids easily. I'd suspect that any given child on Halloween has a far less chance of being killed than any other given day specifically because people are watching out, only the increase of awareness doesn't make up for the increase in pedestrians. That's why we talk about accidents per 100k miles with drivers, to normalize the data. I'd suspect the data is naturally pretty normalized except for one day a year (Halloween).
stink3rbelle t1_iune6ja wrote
Also probably the real reason kids don't play outside anymore, not the parenting choices (except safety choices)
SuckMyBike t1_iunfsod wrote
Carbrain is very weird. Makes people get defensive any time anything negative is said about cars
SuckMyBike t1_iung1gj wrote
When so many kids stop dying, we'll stop being annoying
matthewtheninja t1_iunlcss wrote
Never been to that sub. But this seems pretty fucking relevant in a statistic about pedestrian fatalities.
Spambot0 t1_iunlf9j wrote
Unless this plot is showing us that more children are walking around on Hallowe'en, in which case totally unwalkable cities is the answer.
OutOfTheAsh t1_iunm7s3 wrote
> only 6ish deaths below the median.
I think you fail to make this valid point strongly enough. The median for any given date in the sample looks not much more than 15, but that's a cumulative total over a 15 year span. So the median for any unique individual day is ~1, and 1 is the below median minimum.
Other than Halloween, the sliver of not-noise should mostly be around weekends and holidays. As seen with Covid, the number of deaths decline around these times and peak the day after them. A simple matter that hospital administrators and state health board workers are disinclined to work on days off.
This sort of data isn't precise down to date of mortality incident or subsequent hour of death. It's when the report is recorded--generally M-F; 9-5.
ibajag t1_iunsazn wrote
That sub is the largest echo chamber on reddit
vtriple t1_iuntczz wrote
Well really the main culprit for most pedestrians deaths is the lack of side walks…
NookSwzy t1_iuntv26 wrote
Also roads designed for cars rather than pedestrians. There's a road in Utah that engineers refuse to augment to improve safety because it would reduce throughput and car speed.
NookSwzy t1_iuntyr9 wrote
Nah that's antiwork, politics, and conservative
NookSwzy t1_iunu6go wrote
They didn't even say anything crazy, all they suggested was making cities safer for pedestrians. Kinda weird that you're reacting like this.
Booties t1_iunufbj wrote
It seems like these data might correlate with the sunset and external temperature. Seems like the rolling average is a bit higher from October to December (less day light) before it drops in January through the spring due to lower temperatures. Just a hypothesis from looking at this. No real analytics here.
ar243 t1_iunwdvk wrote
In the past few days I've interacted with two people from that sub.
One person suggested "we need to put nails in intersections to stop cars" after someone got hit at a crosswalk.
The other suggested we should just remove highways.
It's annoying to hear the same insanely impractical talking points parroted by some redditors who watched a YouTube video.
ar243 t1_iunwhge wrote
This is denial, for folks coming into the conversation just now.
ar243 t1_iunwxag wrote
You should take a look at what they actually believe.
The last post I saw was about putting nails in an intersection to get revenge for a pedestrian that got hit.
One guy I talked to literally said "it's a war" between pedestrians and cars, in defense of the whole nails thing.
They're lunatics, and they just parrot the same talking points from a popular YouTube video.
matthewtheninja t1_iunxsht wrote
A lot of highways should be removed, or at the very least minimized. The American experiment in paving our cities to make highways and parking lots has proven to be a bad decision in a million different ways.
I’d be interested in hearing your counterpoints against developing walkable cities and reducing our car dependence.
matthewtheninja t1_iunycgi wrote
I have no interest in this subreddit, never been there and don’t care to go there.
I don’t see what that has to do with my simple assertion that we should strive to develop more walkable living spaces in this country.
ar243 t1_iunz33v wrote
"Of the 6,205 pedestrian traffic fatalities, 181 (3%) were children in 2019." - NHTSA
181 annual child deaths in a country of 330,000,000 people is not "so many kids". That's 0.00005% in case you want a percentage.
140 children die each year from choking, should we get rid of every single thing that could cause choking too? Because the death of even one child is one too many, right?
ar243 t1_iuo0rsq wrote
Yeah video games and cell phones are definitely not the things that made kids stay inside nowadays.
randomname1561 t1_iuo1nb7 wrote
Bit odd that it doesn't spike over Summer.
I bet it used to
randomname1561 t1_iuo227q wrote
I drive like I'm running away from a mobster's house after I got caught nailing his wife but on Halloween I do 5-10 under the limit everywhere I go and in areas with pedestrian traffic if I'm going over 10mph I'm coasting with my foot on the brake.
ar243 t1_iuo24jn wrote
I never said it shouldn't. I think public transportation and mobility should be a higher priority.
But the people from r/fuckcars are incredibly annoying. It's a constant barrage of dumb ideas ("let's put nails in the intersections to stop people from driving") and the same 5 parroted talking points they got from a YouTuber repeated ad nauseum.
Like, we get it, you've all said the same five things a billion times. Shut the fuck up already.
ar243 t1_iuo2cpe wrote
You should go there.
It's one of those things where the original intent was good, but that group in particular gives the whole thing a bad name.
Verynearlydearlydone t1_iuo49f6 wrote
Many don’t because it would mean they admit fault in design. The Raquel Nelson story is a deeply saddening one and yet in many instances like it the DOT refuses to implement safer changes. It’s criminal negligence.
The author Jessie Singer had her boyfriend die. She followed that same path for a decade as person after person died and NYC refused to introduced safety upgrades. It wasn’t until a terrorist ran dozens of people over that they did something.
Verynearlydearlydone t1_iuo4duu wrote
Given what we know about chid death, probably not. But lol
EvilDarkCow t1_iuo4kbi wrote
I nearly got t-boned by an Explorer backing out of a driveway last night, as I was coming home from picking my sister up from a party. The driver wasn't paying any attention at all and backed out at Mach 2 speed. I laid on my horn and they just kept coming and coming. They finally stopped about an inch away from hitting my car.
There was an entire (assumed) family, two adults and three kids, right on the other side of my car and they most certainly would've been mowed down if I weren't there.
Verynearlydearlydone t1_iuo4mzt wrote
You’re acting like this isn’t the very top cause of death in children. At least until guns really stepped up their game last year.
Verynearlydearlydone t1_iuo4ugm wrote
You sound like you’re going to have a seizure. Maybe you need a break from reality if it upsets you that much.
tommytornado t1_iuo5jnq wrote
Sorry but because it's in a different colour it's really unclear if there is a spike at Halloween or if it's just a marker line for the day
360walkaway t1_iuo5l4f wrote
I thought Jan 1 would be higher
matthewtheninja t1_iuo67hv wrote
Well I’m sorry that subreddit is full of extremists, but it has nothing to do with me or the point I’m making.
matthewtheninja t1_iuo6qd6 wrote
Technically the majority of children killed in traffic accidents are the occupants of those vehicles, but the cause is ultimately still our car dependent society.
Spambot0 t1_iuo7u76 wrote
Oh, I wouldn't hazard a guess. Obviously the data fits both takes equally well. But we can see which one people want to be true.
Goodlollipop t1_iuo8sd6 wrote
Well, it is hunting season
OuidOuigi t1_iuocgbg wrote
Yep. Wait until they damage a tire and it comes apart killing a family or lose control hitting someone else/another biker.
Then they can't imagine having a family to shop for, disabled people who need specialized vehicles just to get to public transportation, weather extremes in many places, the extra time it takes, and many other situations where a majority of people will prefer a car.
Their obsession with trains reminds me of Sheldon from their favorite show Big Bang Theory.
domine18 t1_iuoclan wrote
Ty for going extra slow. Saw to many driving like it was a regular day in my neighborhood last night.
schorschico t1_iuogpmw wrote
I don't know about you but I have had to walk by the pediatric cancer section in one of the city hospitals and I wish I didn't have to do it ever again. It's devastating. I never think "Hey, it's not that bad. The percentage is almost zero".
Car crashes are the FIRST cause if death for kids (not just as pedestrians, but as a consequence of a car oriented society we live in). More than cancer. Allow me to at least feel like shit about that fact.
diox8tony t1_iuohp3v wrote
I'm so good at driving, I would never hit a kid. I'm fine to drive 25 in neighborhoods, elite attention and driving skills.
printerinkistoomuch t1_iuojdwy wrote
> I would not have been able to live with myself if I had hit him.
As a pizza delivery driver, hitting a kid is my #1 fear. And Halloween is usually our 2nd busiest day of the year, so I'm driving through dozens of neighborhoods trying to deliver food on time while also dodging kids on every street. Shit is stressful.
Aftermathemetician t1_iuok3gb wrote
So Jan 2 is the safest day to let kids walk around?
Hairy-Owl-5567 t1_iuop0vy wrote
Yeah it took me a long time to understand what this graph was trying to say. It doesn't appear as a spike at all.
Clean-Position-751 t1_iuopah1 wrote
22 year old me: Halloween isn't scary
22 year old me after seeing this graph: Fuck.
Hairy-Owl-5567 t1_iuopeq9 wrote
You're literally the only person talking about that subreddit. Dude literally just said we should have walkable cities and you're popping off about pedestrian wars like it has any relevance to the anything.
kinezumi89 t1_iuowcxv wrote
I thought the orange line was just indicating where Halloween fell on the chart and was confused...like it's roughly constant all year lol. I feel like making the Halloween line orange makes it look like an indicator line instead of an addition bar on the histogram
Fredanwilma t1_iup03ok wrote
Yep. Leave it to Reddit to find the crap-and-hairball lining.
Chakamalik t1_iup0amr wrote
So... although it sucks to have a kid hit by a car, it’s still extremely unlikely it will happen. Thanks, I’ll continue too let my kinds have fun :)
tyen0 t1_iup0pmp wrote
Including 18 year olds as children is a bit odd. I wonder what portion they are.
wow. Using your source of https://cdan.dot.gov/query
40%(4/10) on 2020-10-31, 50%(1/2) on 2019-10-31 were 18.
21%(39/186) of the total from 2006 to 2020 halloweens.
Did you intentionally do that to inflate the numbers by including legal adults in your definition of children? Why?
JesusIsMyZoloft t1_iup1gib wrote
Fun fact: in years when Halloween falls on a weekend, child pedestrian deaths are comparable to any other day of the year. There is a movement to officially declare Halloween as the last Saturday in October.
Edit: After further research, either my "fun fact" is incorrect, or I don't know how to use the NHTSA data tool correctly.
mikehawk1988 t1_iup1ih9 wrote
Also drove normally yesterday and at some point I said to myself "fuck, I could as well just have hit a kid". Also see where this is coming from.
swamphockey t1_iup3wvv wrote
Using a different color is needlessly confusing
misterygus t1_iup4uvd wrote
Sorry is that orange line supposed to be part of the data or just a marker?
Lance_E_T_Compte t1_iup5lo3 wrote
Cars kill kids.
Cars melt glaciers.
Cars ruin cities.
/r/fuckcars
robots_in_riot_gear t1_iup7cda wrote
Dude ran a 4 way stop sign blatantly around all of us last night
alfalfareignss t1_iupa66u wrote
Same! I was driving along a dark 1 lane highway (there’s almost no street lighting in the area I live) and mother and her 4 children were standing in the shoulder lane and I did not see them until they were maybe 10ft away… on a highway where the speed limit it 55mph.
I could not have been more than 2-3 feet from this family. In the pitch black. I had to pull over I was so shaken by how close so many bodies were to my car.
AkumaSeijinn t1_iupb5dz wrote
Thing about those dinosaur costumes is you have no peripheral vision.
WayneConrad t1_iupe093 wrote
I think all places that deliver should make Halloween a "no penalty or freebies for being late" day. Y'all should be able to go as slow as you want to keep everyone safe, and I'll eat cold fries without complaining.
WellWornLife t1_iupftu8 wrote
Can you please rearrange the data from least to most? Or, even better, most in the middle and each lesser day alternating left right to form a bell curve?!
I want to see how uniform the distribution is. My guess is “very uniform.” But just impossible to tell from here.
ar243 t1_iupgpu5 wrote
Damn dude I'm not the one that left 90 comments in the span of a day, I don't think I'm the one you should be worried about here
WayneConrad t1_iupixis wrote
I think all places that deliver should make Halloween a "no penalty or freebies for being late" day. Y'all should be able to go as slow as you want to keep everyone safe, and I'll eat cold fries without complaining.
psychesfool t1_iupmqew wrote
Every time I see a post from this sub I wonder if data is actually beautiful or if I am just forcibly being fed upsetting statistics...
NookSwzy t1_iupn0yd wrote
That's great but the person you responded didn't say any of that stuff.
ron_paul_pizza_party t1_iupndm8 wrote
Pepperidge Harm remembers
NookSwzy t1_iupngbg wrote
It really isn't. I despise a lot of things about that sub and have completely stopped participating in it once they decided to start advocating for hurting drivers' property to spread the message. However, antiwork literally complains about any form of work, politics downvotes anything remotely conservative, and conservative bans anything that isn't a trump talking point. I haven't seen anyone get banned on fuckcars.
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weeeuuu t1_iupoyg5 wrote
Log off. You are throwing a fit over an internet community. Go outside.
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Ignitus1 t1_iupuj74 wrote
What would be the point of the graphic if it’s just a marker line for the day?
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fullyrealizedhuman t1_iuq0jlc wrote
I had the same thought
MaxRoofer t1_iuq46fo wrote
Yeah, I wish they wouldn’t, but I’ve walked down the street with many a friend who think it’s the cars job to get out of their way.
Maybe so, but if you get hit and die then I guess your family can win a lawsuit, but obviously not worth it.
darexinfinity t1_iuq84sg wrote
I'd be amazed if urban areas had more accidents than suburban.
Pringletache t1_iuqe7x2 wrote
To explain the variability in the background data, it’s likely to be because between 2006 and 2020 the days aren’t spread evenly on each date. For 14 years, if each date has 2 of each day, then the data should be pretty consistent, however if you take the difference between Jan 1st and 2nd for example, the distribution is:
- Monday 2(Jan 1st) 3(Jan 2nd)
- Tuesday 3. 2
- Wednesday 2. 3
- Thursday 2. 2
- Friday 2. 2
- Saturday 1. 2
- Sunday 3. 1
So it’s likely to all be noise apart from Halloween.
Edit:formatting
madmonstermax t1_iuqeaqd wrote
Maybe it is balanced out by kids walking to and from school
MashedCandyCotton t1_iuqhrlq wrote
>A.) population density
22 of US states/territories have a higher population density than Europe. So why doesn't Ohio have proper public transport?
> B.) they have a prime geography for it.
What? What is that even supposed to mean?
leadenjerry t1_iuqhyjh wrote
According to census data more than 80 percent of Americans live in urban areas, as opposed to rural areas. People in Europe don’t walk from city to city. We (Europeans) also have cars. Walkable cities are supposed to offer other modes of transport WITHIN a city. Which is possible when you don’t have to spread out buildings to accommodate huge inner city arterial roads and giant parking lots.
notthatcreative777 t1_iuqlj61 wrote
Halloween deaths zero in 2020 due to covid, not day of the week. No one in my town went out.
fun_guy02142 t1_iuqpz2p wrote
There are also a ton more kids out and about for longer periods of time, so this isn’t an apples to apples comparison, but I get your point.
Notten t1_iuqrusl wrote
I'm just going to point out that this is 14 years of totals with a difference of what looks like 30 between peaks. That means that 2 a year in whatever area it is is not an endemic like it's made out to be. A trend sure, be sade yes, but there are much bigger risks to children then trick or treating on Halloween.
Bucket1982 t1_iuqtlr5 wrote
People must have already ran all the damn kids over around here. Barely seen any trick or treaters. 🤷♀️
martinsky3k t1_iuqw7rf wrote
Penalty and freebies?
Oh you fancy americans. Here in Sweden food gets delivered to your house lukewarm, most of the time you have to go outside to meet the delivery guy, he is too lazy to go to your door.
All this for a premium markup on anything you are buying. Aaaah the beauty of home delivery here.
who8mydamnoreos t1_iuqx4rw wrote
Got a Halloween hater on my street, every year he takes the opportunity to drive his giant truck 30 mph up and down the street for no reason
Willie-Alb t1_iuqxpf5 wrote
Look walkable cities is a great idea, only problem is that I’m willing to bet that most of these occur in suburban areas, where that is significantly less viable.
RevolutionaryGlass0 t1_iuqzcid wrote
Nah, sub-urbs just need to be better designed. I live in a town of about 40,000 people, which is actually a smaller population than most US sub-urbs. It's perfectly walkable.
RevolutionaryGlass0 t1_iuqzo4t wrote
Plenty of parts of the US have a much higher population density than Europe. I live in a small, rural town. The countryside is only 200 metres away from me. Where I live is still fully walkable.
There's no reason that massive places like LA or San Diego shouldn't be better designed. Even sub-urbs, most of which have a higher population than where I live by the way, could be far better.
leahjuu t1_iuqzro1 wrote
I thought it was pointing out that Halloween deaths aren’t remarkably high despite the fact that people make assumptions & caution around it. It is more interesting knowing that the orange line is representing data; but it probably should have been left the same color and labeled next to the line.
ImRickJameXXXX t1_iur2bly wrote
And no child in the US was ever killed by poison treats from a stranger. Tho one died via his dad!
marle217 t1_iur721v wrote
this article has chart with similar data
I've been hearing a lot of complaints that Halloween wasn't like it was in the 80s. (Or whenever, but I'm old and remember the 80s) Usually complaining about things like trunk or treats, or my community changed trick or treat to be on Sunday this year and earlier in the day, which meant that little kids could do the trick or treat in daylight. When I was a kid, trick or treat was always on Halloween, rain or snow, and in the dark. And often parents would be in the car to follow you slowly and drive you past the dark houses to the next clump of candy houses. But that was all incredibly dangerous. We're doing some better things now, though we also have bigger cars that make it harder to even see children crossing the street. I really hope we learn to take car safety seriously. We do so much else for children's safety, but cars are by far the leading cause of death under 18.
dev-sda t1_iurai1x wrote
> This country has always been highly spread out and it’s simply not practical to adapt the entire countries infrastructure to change that within a lifetime.
Considering the country went from (mass manufactured) cars not existing to the majority of people owning a car, public transit system being demolished, urban freeways and interstate highways all within a lifetime; why is it suddenly impossible to do the reverse?
The USA was built on the back of rail. "population density" and "geography" are fundamentally a-historic excuses. Not only can it be built, it's literally already been done before. In a time when population density was significantly lower and geography significantly more challenging.
noooor_a t1_iurl39h wrote
would a 10 mph hit be very bad? I imagine it's only a few mph more than an adult sprinting
nethobo t1_iurpn7x wrote
Could be worse for a lot of reasons.
A car weighs a lot more than a sprinting adult. The inertia and potential force applied are much higher.
The bumper is at a height that would connect with vital areas on a child. Youre not just looking at broken legs.
If you dont see the kid in time, they may well end up UNDER the car or worse, the wheels.
noooor_a t1_iurqag6 wrote
ahh, i see now. thank you
zBarba t1_iurrkaj wrote
America has a huge problem with cars.
- Speed limits are too high
- Everything is far away and spread out
- Some trucks are so huge that you'd literally not be able to see a kid in front of the car
awawe t1_iurvejp wrote
Can you carbrains just... not kill children every five minutes?
Jaken005 t1_iurwprg wrote
Even in the arctic regions of finland almost all villagaes and towns have separated walking/cycling paths that kids kan use to go to school or visit friends. If you have enough money to build huge highways you have enough money to make a sidewalk and some safe crosswalks with speed bumps and pedestrian refuges.
IAmALostChild t1_iurx6um wrote
I drive 90 in school zones when I’m drunk because I’m so good at everything. Grow up /s
ZealousidealCarpet8 t1_ius1kcb wrote
So you agree you should drive more safely? Also weird flex to center yourself in a situation where we're talking about a child losing their life
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thyme_cardamom t1_ius4tvh wrote
And having to cross large, fast roads between sidewalks. Unfortunately, to get most places you have to cross many streets to get there, and if the traffic is fast and the visibility bad, then it doesn't matter how good the sidewalk is.
thyme_cardamom t1_ius50p6 wrote
You: Please stop with the fuckcars nonsense!
Also you: Please go visit r/fuckcars!
ar243 t1_ius6q9t wrote
It's once every 3000 minutes, only 182 kids die each year in pedestrian car deaths. The data is very misleading.
san_vicente t1_ius98lq wrote
You can talk about scolding the kid but the real issue is that we’ve designed our neighborhoods in the US to prioritize cars over pedestrians.
nethobo t1_iusalrg wrote
As a general rule, youre not wrong. Its a bit different in this neighborhood (eastern MA). Pretty sure these streets were designed for horse and buggy. People park on the street here and that makes it a 1 lane road in most cases. It's really not built for anything modern.
san_vicente t1_iusawmm wrote
I hate to break it to you but walking was around before horse and buggy. Pedestrians used to flow through streets and jaywalking wasn’t a thing. If a street is like that, it shouldn’t have any cars at all, or be subject to glacial speed limits.
GlobalSpread3429 t1_iusaxq1 wrote
Your comment says a lot about what is wrong with car culture
pakattak t1_iusg013 wrote
You should honestly drive like that permanently.
randomname1561 t1_iusiut4 wrote
Nah bro people who do 5-10 below the speed limit are inherently bad people.
pakattak t1_iusjzlt wrote
Are you one of the guys who always tailgates me when I’m driving down my street
MaxRoofer t1_iusmlua wrote
How do you mean, exactly?That the cars don’t look out for pedestrians or pedestrians think cars should watch out for them?
Also, not sure my comment made sense. I meant to say, I wish cars would watch out for people. But seeing as not all do, people shoul watch for themselves.
I actually hit a person one time. They were texting and walking and I stopped right in front of them, and I kid you not they walked right I to my car.
I could have gone around, but wanted them to learn a lesson. They got mad at me.
randomname1561 t1_iusyznv wrote
If you are doing 25 in a 30, yes.
GlobalSpread3429 t1_iut1vkr wrote
That drivers don‘t look out for pedestrians.
Or, more fundamentally, how infrastructure is built centered around cars. In a well built neighborhood there is almost no risk of hitting a pedestrian. Both because there is a lot of space dedicated to them and because the road is designed in a way that you can’t really go faster than ~10mph in a car. Slowing things down reduces risk considerably
MaxRoofer t1_iut4ysr wrote
I’ll never get hit by a car while walking. I don’t expect them to look out for me.
GlobalSpread3429 t1_iutggvi wrote
Well you should never expect that someone looks out for you ofc, but obviously the more dangerous your life of transport, the more you should look out for others. And cars are pretty dangerous
MaxRoofer t1_iutlxla wrote
Yes, that’s obvious as well.
MINIMAN10001 t1_iutr47u wrote
He was going 10 mph through a neighborhood keeping eyes out for children acting dangerously. The reality is childrens stupidity is a bottomless pit, they can and fall in front of your tire and there's nothing you can do about it.
Sometimes life deals a shitty hand.
RufusLaButte t1_iuug7pd wrote
My older sister was one of those "181" in 1993. It matters.
Notspherry t1_iuuyx4u wrote
How on earth does a road like that have a 55 mph speed limit?
Jaddydaddy551 t1_iuv0s6j wrote
Statistically speaking, a child/adolescent is MOST likely to die from a motorvehicle crash
"Motor vehicle crashes were the leading cause of death for children and adolescents, representing 20% of all deaths"
bowsmountainer t1_iuv16h0 wrote
Perhaps it would be an idea to drastically reduce speed limits near housing on Halloween. After all, I would hope that people care more for children's lives than the speed at which they are allowed to drive at.
GodzlIIa t1_iuvctm1 wrote
You have the right away, unless you IN the way
Chakamalik t1_iuvrv7q wrote
Yeeah sure... don’t say the full truth. your own link shows that 4074 children have died just in 2016 in ALL car related deaths (most recent data from your link).
While this graph shows the number of children killed while WALKING and it is a cumulative amount between the years 2004-2020 (17 years total). So an average of 3-4 kids on Halloween...
So once again not much of a change when you break it down
Extension_Cherry_453 t1_iuwhzzt wrote
cant let my kid outside on halloween then
Sea_Phrase_Loch t1_ivm3qmi wrote
The reason all of those things need cars right now isn’t because they inherently need cars. For groceries, you can easily wheel around a small cart if the grocery store is a 5 minute walk away. (If your neighborhood is designed for walking.) A lot of disabled people who can’t ride on public transportation without specialized vehicles probably can’t drive cars either. (Some common types of disabilities where you need a specialized vehicle are probably like disabilities where you faint (which is quite the liability driving a moving vehicle) or disabilities where your legs don’t work or are weak (you do need reliably working legs to drive a car, afaik. There are modified versions to solve that but depending there’s likely still the difficulty of getting out/in of the car each time as well))
I’m not saying bikes are less dangerous than cars, but they’re not more dangerous either.
It’s also not about nobody owning a car. Cars will always be necessary for some jobs or locations. Just owning a car should not be a requirement to live.
NorCalNavyMike t1_iumrtag wrote
One of those posts I can’t quite grok as ‘beautiful,’ no matter how telling or informative it might be. 😭