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oogaboogaman_3 t1_ixowlnt wrote

Dude, add a legend, even reading your comment I have barely any idea what’s going on, either way it’s still a cool visualization

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Slyguyfawkes t1_ixps7v5 wrote

Exactly! Thank you! I felt like a super dumbass for an instant and then was like: -wait hold on!

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grandj t1_ixn7tu6 wrote

You probably need to apply a different layout algorithm in Gephi to have a more readable graph (if not, what’s the point of visualizing it?). A force-directed one like Force Atlas 2 (don’t forget to play with the parameters).

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ItsDaBunnyYT OP t1_ixnac6c wrote

This is with Force Atlas 2, but rounded out in preview mode. I've tried a couple algorithms, but it's just so incomprehensible. My mother has a total of 215,525 matches on AncestryDNA, and her DNA is so fuddled that she is practically related to everyone on both sides. My point in visualizing it (this is the highest 1,000 matches she has), is just to visualize the difficulty with this. Her Collin-Leeds is just as bad. I've tried playing with parameters and modularity, but it seems to be quite stuck.

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grandj t1_ixpxq86 wrote

Ok then maybe you should set a limit in the strength of the relations you want to display, and remove the edges that are under it. You would then have a graph of the closest relations and it would be less dense, like a "backbone" of your graph.

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azucarleta t1_ixr4xiw wrote

DNA tests are a scam. Do documentary genealogy if you want to know anything valid.

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ItsDaBunnyYT OP t1_ixr7ntc wrote

That’s easy for you to say. All the records of my town was destroyed in the Pogroms.

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azucarleta t1_ixr99c3 wrote

That's your first mistake, perhaps. Underestimating the complexity. Already at the level of just great-great grandparents, most people come from as many as 8 villages (fewer if there was tremendous inbreeding, like in your case [sorry, is what it is]). Perhaps each and every one was destroyed, and all of their parents' village records in as many as 16 more villages, were ALL destroyed, too; or you're so inbred there were far fewer villages containing records about y'all. Doubtful, though, that you are that inbred. Whatever you find document-wise will be immensely more illuminating than the DNA tests, no matter how scant.

edit: perhaps supplement your research with what use you can make of others' research on FamilySearch.org . That website helps folks compare notes on family trees. Some people log in to find out most of their tree has already been fleshed out by others who share many of the same branches.

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phdoofus t1_ixp1dqr wrote

It's pretty, if not particularly illuminating. I think too few people take this description of the subreddit to heart

"pretty pictures are not the sole aim of this subreddit"

I often judge a science article in the journals by how easily I can discern the conclusions just from looking at the figures. Honestly, I'd fail to figure that out in this case.

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ItsDaBunnyYT OP t1_ixn06sm wrote

Using DNAGedcom to collect my 100% Ashkenazi Jewish mother's DNA matches and their shared DNA matches with my mother, and using Gephi to visualize the connections, I can display how inbred Ashkenazi Jews typically are. Each dot and all its lines connect to another, and the colors are 'supposed' to represent the different branches. In a typical DNA clustering, each 'cluster' represents a single branch of the family, like a grandparent, or great grandparent, but Ashkenazi Jews tend to be so closely related to each other that there is no clear branch division, with my mother being a more extreme case.

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Enlightened-Beaver t1_ixo7aev wrote

Endogamy, fancy talk for inbreeding

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ItsDaBunnyYT OP t1_ixo7g3j wrote

It’s not that it’s inbreedIng, but that since we descend from such a small initial population, everyone is like 8th cousins in 12 different lines. Not closely related, but just over such a long period of time.

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Enlightened-Beaver t1_ixofav5 wrote

It’s broad inbreeding and it’s why certain genetic diseases are prevalent in certain groups that only marry and breed with each other: Bloom syndrome, Canavan Syndrome, cystic fibrosis, Gaucher disease, Joubert syndrome, Niemann-Pick disease, Tay Sachs disease, Usher syndrome, Familial Disautonomia, spinal muscular atrophy, etc.

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capitalism_or_life t1_ixpq4bj wrote

My girlfriend is in that image probably. Weird to think hers is circular when mine would be a chaotic and lopsided mess with no coherent form/shape. Check out Shtisel if you haven't seen it. Sheds a lot of light onto this subject.

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ItsDaBunnyYT OP t1_ixq2qi6 wrote

  1. If you want, you can PM me your GF's AncestryDNA username, I can check to see if I match with her lol.
  2. I definitely need to check it out. My mother watched the series a couple of years back, but I never got around to it.
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anexampleofinsanity t1_ixn7t99 wrote

Y’all have a virtually comprehensive list of potential genetic disorders that your class of persons will indefinitely maintain in like proportions, God willing. Arms-length incest seems like a pretty effective way to manage life’s most innate risk. Did you know that European royalty was heading in that direction due to Royal marriages?

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ItsDaBunnyYT OP t1_ixnafik wrote

Lol, I'm aware of the royalty yes. The Habsburgs only survived long enough because the most deformed members of their family tended to be infertile too.

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formerly_gruntled t1_ixorl67 wrote

I read a book about the Templars (not about conspiracies, about actual history) and the author described the inbreeding of medieval royals as 'the cousinage.' A term that seems to cover the Ashkenazi situation as well. Everyone is slightly related, or closer.

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anexampleofinsanity t1_ixqbbzq wrote

Nothing wrong with that. Church is a good place for deuche bags to find gfs. Found my first two there.

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Misteral_Editorial t1_ixq8rob wrote

So if I'm reading the graph correctly:

  1. The noses are starting to get pretty big

  2. They're about 3 generations removed from a Habsburg jaw situation

  3. The word "cousin" has become interchangeable with the word "stranger"

  4. It's weird to date more than 4 blocks away

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ItsDaBunnyYT OP t1_ixqjht4 wrote

  1. Haha, my mom’s schnozz isn’t as big as my dad’s, but she definitely has cousins with some fine noses.

  2. Yep. Found out by accident over the summer that my preschool teacher is my moms 3rd cousin.

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