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thelastpizzaslice t1_iwuoetl wrote

Reply to comment by jacktacular in [OC] Deaths from Police Shootings: Gender Gap is 9x Larger than Race Gap by JelloBackground8007

You're accusing victims of violence of being criminals without evidence.

See, we'd have the numbers of how many are criminals, but these people were shot, and never had their day in court. Many of them were innocent and unrelated to any crime, or did something obviously civil like selling products without a license or driving with expired tags.

It's incorrect to assume these people committed some crime that could warrant being murdered. Especially in a country with such an overdeveloped and inept carceral state as the US.

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BSP9000 t1_iwvnizz wrote

80% of the people shot by police are armed with a deadly weapon, according to the Washington Post's database.

Don't commit a crime, don't point a gun at the cops, you'll be fine.

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doomsl t1_iww8cfi wrote

I wouldn’t trust that data at all and even it shows that you clearly won’t be fine as of the people shot by police account 20% are unarmed

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Your_Trash_Daddy t1_iwwyrfa wrote

I didn't see anything here that said they were killed, or that if they weren't killed, that they weren't given a trial. It's a wild assumption to assume that every shooting is a killing. So that was your premise. Invalidates what follows.

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thelastpizzaslice t1_iwwziq6 wrote

Well, given that both the OP image says "Deaths from Police Violence", the OP title says "Deaths from Police Shootings" at the top and the link that jacktacular pointed out says "994 people shot dead by police in 2015", which matches the numbers in the link, I think it's safe to say they're both talking about shootings that specifically resulted in killings.

In the United States, trials do not occur post-mortem. If a person dies on the scene, no trial occurs.

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jacktacular t1_iww9m5f wrote

i feel like it’s pretty disingenuous to appeal to the 10% of people shot being unarmed as a way to assert that the 80% armed with a deadly weapon & potentially threatening the life of another person are probably innocent.

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thelastpizzaslice t1_iwwx3gq wrote

Given that 32% of US adults say they own a gun, I think this is honestly a pretty flimsy excuse. Someone having a gun on their person is not justification on its own for the police to shoot them. And the police statistics don't even tell us whether the gun was even drawn, let alone aimed at the officer.

Take a read of the stories of death from your own source. After you read down far enough, you'll see a few cases where the individual aimed a gun at an officer....and dozens that sound like gunning down someone who was not at all a threat to the life of the officer. People with toy guns. People running away from the police. And this is the accounts written by the police. Imagine if we could read their side of the story! What a shame....they're dead so we'll never know.

If you want to know how dirty the American carceral system actually is, my recommendations would be either Matt Tiabi's The Divide or Johann Hari's Chasing the Scream. If you listen to either one on audiobook, I should warn you, they're filled to the brim with horrifying things no human being should hear without context, so listen to them somewhere private.

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Your_Trash_Daddy t1_iwwz55j wrote

And another false statement as an assumption, which makes everything that follows it invalid, again. You're not actually good at this, but you are wordy.

Owning guns doesn't mean they are carried. Very few of the guns owned are actually being carried around . And if you want some evidence of that, look at the number of guns owned in america, versus the number of people.

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thelastpizzaslice t1_iwx12m0 wrote

>And another false statement as an assumption, which makes everything that follows it invalid, again. You're not actually good at this, but you are wordy.

Your argument has a missing reference in the form of "another false statement", so I have no idea what it even says. Your follow-up statement also has a missing reference in the form of "good at this." What is "this"?

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