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lapsangsouchogn t1_izbljqk wrote

That 60-80 block for both.

Ariel, Monroe, Eden = 20-25% of those are boys?

And Lync? How does that even get a dot on the chart?

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eric5014 t1_izbn6qp wrote

Good to see this - I think I remember suggesting this last year.

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dublin2001 t1_izbpm8v wrote

Is the difference with Angel because most Americans with the name have the Spanish version Ángel? While there are far less with Spanish names in general in England/Wales.

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LuwiBaton t1_izcyz3x wrote

Some of these are just words… Justice, Indigo, River, Ocean?!

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mfb- t1_izd7ijc wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#882,678)

The x-axis is the fraction of babies with that given name in the US who are female, the y-axis is the same fraction in England and Wales.

Angel in the upper left as example: In the US this is usually a male given name (~90% male, 10% female out of everyone with that name), in England and Wales it's a female given name (~20% male, 80% female).

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Bitter_Arachnid_25 t1_izd8lz9 wrote

Replying to TomSandovalsTrumpet (#883,431)

I think it is this: for all the babies born in 2021 having a given name, the location on each axis is the percentage of those babies who are female in either the US or England/Wales.

So for example, for babies with the name Angel: in England/Wales, about 82% are female and in the US, only about 13% are female. In both locations, more than 80% of babies with the name Wren are female and fewer than 20% of babies named Dillon are female.

Some conclusions you could make: In England/Wales, Hadley is more likely to be considered a boy's name (just over 20% female) but in the US, Hadley is almost exclusively a girl's name (nearly 100% female). In both areas, Dillon is a boy's name and Wren is a girl's name.

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mkaszycki81 t1_izdiq0c wrote

I'm curious what names would be in the top left and bottom right corners. The intensity of the dots suggests that there's a number of such names.

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NoNameClever t1_izdpe74 wrote

So, looking at the graph as a whole the lower right is considerably more busy than the top-left. One interpretation is it appears parents in the US are much more willing to give traditionally "male names" to girls. That empty top-left is interesting too. You may argue that almost no one is giving boys a traditionally "female name" on either side of the pond. Obviously other interpretations are possible too!

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jakubkonecki t1_izdq2w0 wrote

This chart would be more beautiful with even more random pink circles.

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Retrospectrenet t1_izdq7vn wrote

I wish the axis were of equal length so it was square. Are the bubble sizes the combined number by country? Interesting graph!

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Retrospectrenet t1_izdqh6p wrote

Replying to NoNameClever (#884,200)

Surnames for girls are still popular in the US whereas in the UK they've declined since the 1980s. A good chunk of those bottom half names are surnames, which are still semi popular for boys only in the UK.

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NiceShotMan t1_ize4iww wrote

Replying to mkaszycki81 (#883,995)

On the bottom left are all the names for which there is universal consensus in both Britain and USA that they are considered male. This constitutes the majority of male names, such as John, Mark, Anthony, Matthew etc. which is why it’s so concentrated.

Conversely, on the top right are all the names that both Britain and USA universally consider female.

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NiceShotMan t1_ize5h8l wrote

Replying to NoNameClever (#884,200)

Yes this is the most striking conclusion I drew from the graph as well. Essentially,

  1. Americans are sometimes giving their daughters traditionally male names
  2. British people are not
  3. Nobody is giving their sons traditionally female names
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brieflyamicus t1_izey9cj wrote

Replying to NoNameClever (#884,200)

It's historically true that names almost always pass from being "boy names" to unisex to "girl names", with almost no names going in the other direction. That process is completed with Ashley, it's mostly happened to Leslie and Lindsey, and it's ongoing with Riley, Jordan, etc.

I think the graph implies that this process happens in the US and UK at different moments: Americans start giving boys' names to girls, and only later do Brits do the same. Possibly, Americans are very high-profile in media, so they have disproportionate influence on international trends?

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infegy t1_izf6za6 wrote

I'm getting a definite blood spatter vibe from this.

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pncohen OP t1_izf8y9g wrote

Replying to Retrospectrenet (#884,216)

you are right it should be square! Probably messes up the perception that it's not. The sizes are the average of the two countries' births per 1000 for each, so it's equally representing the relative commonness of the name in two (unequally size) populations.

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