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Dr_Adequate t1_j1a8my2 wrote

Reply to comment by Pac_Eddy in The Heritage Foundation data sources contradict its report that the US city with the 30th highest rate of homicide was 2.4 / 100K. One of their referenced sources- "CHR&R" (footnote 25) - has more than 1K counties with higher homicide rates. Here's that data. Relevant links are in the comments. [OC] by quantuminous

The GOPs bad faith argument...

They point to Chicago's strict gun laws, while omitting neighboring Indiana has lax gun ownership laws and people are free to travel between the two.

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Pull_Pin_Throw_Away t1_j1e6qx2 wrote

But it's illegal and impossible to purchase a handgun across state lines, so that's entirely pointless to bring up.

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Dr_Adequate t1_j1e9df2 wrote

"Illegal and impossible" glad you believe that every gun purchaser is an upstanding legal citizen and responsible gun owner.

By the way, if you have more of what you're smoking I could use some this weekend when I visit my conservative Trump-supporting in-laws. Thanks!

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Pull_Pin_Throw_Away t1_j1ec1gn wrote

>every gun purchaser is an upstanding legal citizen

Yes they have to pass a background check. Responsible - not since people stopped being charged for violating straw purchase laws, the ATF is busy with important things like whether a rifle has a 15.9" or a 16" barrel and shooting women holding babies than stopping crimes with victims.

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WaitAMinuteThereNow t1_j1tjb22 wrote

Then why aren't the guns causing mayhem in Indiana? I'm always surprised when the anti-civil rights people use Indiana as a scapegoat for the issues in Chicago when in reality, it totally disproves their points- gun control laws don't control behavior and the guns aren't crux of the problem, otherwise cities in Indiana would have similar issues to Chicago. The people pushing 20th century failed 'gun control' theory often play with the aggregation level- state or sometimes city, when the problem is far more focused. Dilution is the solution when it comes to hiding violent crime. Bruen is bringing an end to the failed 'gun control' laws and will force our society to face the real causes and solutions to violence.

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Dr_Adequate t1_j1u4nmo wrote

Hawaii also has very strict gun laws.

But being an island in the middle of the ocean, there's no next-door neighbor that allows guns to filter in.

Step off with your MuH cIvIl RiGhTs. No other G7 nation has the insane levels of gun violence the US has.

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WaitAMinuteThereNow t1_j1yftqe wrote

Thanks for the response, but you kind of prove my point. There is no South-side or Chicago in Hawaii, that is why there is, um, no murder rates like in the south side. Winetka is exposed to the same 'filtering' of firearms and doesn't have the murder rate. I doubt the drive up I-94 is the real issue...

So across Illinois you hold the gun laws constant but you get vastly different murder rates. So gun laws aren't the driver of murder rates.

As to the rights issue, the right recognized by the 2A is THE RIGHT that all others depend on. You might not like that or recognize it, but it it true. The 1A is the right to think and say what you want, and the 2A is "no seriously, I get to say and think what I want."

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Dr_Adequate t1_j1ywt7s wrote

Just outright gonna ignore that the US has a gun violence rate far, far higher than any other sensible G7 nation, huh. Ok fine, you and your ilk are the ones being unreasonable and not seeing the point.

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WaitAMinuteThereNow t1_j1z9glq wrote

Thanks again for the engagement, but when are you going to realize that the wishing away of guns isn't going to solve the problem? I admire the persistence that just we are one more gun law away from solving the problem, but how much failure of past laws and the lack of addressing the current issues can you stand before you realize that we are not going to legislate this away by focusing on things? A war on guns is going to be as successful as a war on drugs. If you want to focus on deaths with guns, disarming and restricting law abiding people is counterproductive. You need to go after the mentally unstable and the gang violence- and really you need to go after the issues around our lack of respect for life. Unfortunately, you can't legislate those.

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