WaitAMinuteThereNow t1_j1yftqe wrote on December 28, 2022 at 9:05 AM

Reply to comment by Dr_Adequate in The Heritage Foundation data sources contradict its report that the US city with the 30th highest rate of homicide was 2.4 / 100K. One of their referenced sources- "CHR&R" (footnote 25) - has more than 1K counties with higher homicide rates. Here's that data. Relevant links are in the comments. [OC] by quantuminous

Thanks for the response, but you kind of prove my point. There is no South-side or Chicago in Hawaii, that is why there is, um, no murder rates like in the south side. Winetka is exposed to the same 'filtering' of firearms and doesn't have the murder rate. I doubt the drive up I-94 is the real issue...

So across Illinois you hold the gun laws constant but you get vastly different murder rates. So gun laws aren't the driver of murder rates.

As to the rights issue, the right recognized by the 2A is THE RIGHT that all others depend on. You might not like that or recognize it, but it it true. The 1A is the right to think and say what you want, and the 2A is "no seriously, I get to say and think what I want."

Dr_Adequate t1_j1ywt7s wrote on December 28, 2022 at 12:49 PM

Just outright gonna ignore that the US has a gun violence rate far, far higher than any other sensible G7 nation, huh. Ok fine, you and your ilk are the ones being unreasonable and not seeing the point.

WaitAMinuteThereNow t1_j1z9glq wrote on December 28, 2022 at 2:43 PM

Thanks again for the engagement, but when are you going to realize that the wishing away of guns isn't going to solve the problem? I admire the persistence that just we are one more gun law away from solving the problem, but how much failure of past laws and the lack of addressing the current issues can you stand before you realize that we are not going to legislate this away by focusing on things? A war on guns is going to be as successful as a war on drugs. If you want to focus on deaths with guns, disarming and restricting law abiding people is counterproductive. You need to go after the mentally unstable and the gang violence- and really you need to go after the issues around our lack of respect for life. Unfortunately, you can't legislate those.