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jules6815 t1_j1agxv6 wrote

Nothing valid has ever been published by the Heritage Foundation. They have more similarities with ISIS or the Taliban then the truth.

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PedanticMath t1_j1a5xs3 wrote

This is typical of the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute. I was linked to a Cato paper which claimed the productivity/wage gap doesn’t exist. It claimed the additional value of non wage compensation completely removed the discrepancy. After a few paragraphs of variables and equations, buried in a footnote at the bottom read: “There is no number reference for this value.” Basically they gave a detailed report about how making up a missing number balanced the equation.

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quantuminous OP t1_j1a8lsf wrote

Yikes! I didn’t realize it was a frequent occurrence

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Pac_Eddy t1_j1a5dhe wrote

Chicago's homicides is half of the GOPs argument for it's lack of gun control.

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LanchestersLaw t1_j1aev2b wrote

I am continuously amused by the fact that Chicago/New York/name_a_city is not the county with the highest homicide rate, just a place with a high number of absolute homicides. The actual culprits are rural counties in the deep south.

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Pull_Pin_Throw_Away t1_j1e7moo wrote

Certain regions within the city are more dangerous for a young black man than if he were serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. Areas like Auburn Gresham, Austin, Garfield Park, etc. are literally warzones with 10x the per capita homicide rate of the city as a whole. It's pretty hand wavy to point at rural counties where the homicide rate can swing a lot by having one more or fewer murder per year when these areas with a similar population to the rural county are dropping 40+ bodies a year in a few block radius.

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[deleted] t1_j1aktni wrote

It's not exactly surprising given the demographic of that area and the murder statistics.

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0tt0attack t1_j1hbu7w wrote

Big number = bad. You expect MAGA heads to understand per capita?

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Dr_Adequate t1_j1a8my2 wrote

The GOPs bad faith argument...

They point to Chicago's strict gun laws, while omitting neighboring Indiana has lax gun ownership laws and people are free to travel between the two.

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Pull_Pin_Throw_Away t1_j1e6qx2 wrote

But it's illegal and impossible to purchase a handgun across state lines, so that's entirely pointless to bring up.

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Dr_Adequate t1_j1e9df2 wrote

"Illegal and impossible" glad you believe that every gun purchaser is an upstanding legal citizen and responsible gun owner.

By the way, if you have more of what you're smoking I could use some this weekend when I visit my conservative Trump-supporting in-laws. Thanks!

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Pull_Pin_Throw_Away t1_j1ec1gn wrote

>every gun purchaser is an upstanding legal citizen

Yes they have to pass a background check. Responsible - not since people stopped being charged for violating straw purchase laws, the ATF is busy with important things like whether a rifle has a 15.9" or a 16" barrel and shooting women holding babies than stopping crimes with victims.

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WaitAMinuteThereNow t1_j1tjb22 wrote

Then why aren't the guns causing mayhem in Indiana? I'm always surprised when the anti-civil rights people use Indiana as a scapegoat for the issues in Chicago when in reality, it totally disproves their points- gun control laws don't control behavior and the guns aren't crux of the problem, otherwise cities in Indiana would have similar issues to Chicago. The people pushing 20th century failed 'gun control' theory often play with the aggregation level- state or sometimes city, when the problem is far more focused. Dilution is the solution when it comes to hiding violent crime. Bruen is bringing an end to the failed 'gun control' laws and will force our society to face the real causes and solutions to violence.

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Dr_Adequate t1_j1u4nmo wrote

Hawaii also has very strict gun laws.

But being an island in the middle of the ocean, there's no next-door neighbor that allows guns to filter in.

Step off with your MuH cIvIl RiGhTs. No other G7 nation has the insane levels of gun violence the US has.

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WaitAMinuteThereNow t1_j1yftqe wrote

Thanks for the response, but you kind of prove my point. There is no South-side or Chicago in Hawaii, that is why there is, um, no murder rates like in the south side. Winetka is exposed to the same 'filtering' of firearms and doesn't have the murder rate. I doubt the drive up I-94 is the real issue...

So across Illinois you hold the gun laws constant but you get vastly different murder rates. So gun laws aren't the driver of murder rates.

As to the rights issue, the right recognized by the 2A is THE RIGHT that all others depend on. You might not like that or recognize it, but it it true. The 1A is the right to think and say what you want, and the 2A is "no seriously, I get to say and think what I want."

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Dr_Adequate t1_j1ywt7s wrote

Just outright gonna ignore that the US has a gun violence rate far, far higher than any other sensible G7 nation, huh. Ok fine, you and your ilk are the ones being unreasonable and not seeing the point.

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WaitAMinuteThereNow t1_j1z9glq wrote

Thanks again for the engagement, but when are you going to realize that the wishing away of guns isn't going to solve the problem? I admire the persistence that just we are one more gun law away from solving the problem, but how much failure of past laws and the lack of addressing the current issues can you stand before you realize that we are not going to legislate this away by focusing on things? A war on guns is going to be as successful as a war on drugs. If you want to focus on deaths with guns, disarming and restricting law abiding people is counterproductive. You need to go after the mentally unstable and the gang violence- and really you need to go after the issues around our lack of respect for life. Unfortunately, you can't legislate those.

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AdministrativeRun230 t1_j1bln0w wrote

Ok looking at the data map what the heck is up with Alaska damn.

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quantuminous OP t1_j1bm5p3 wrote

The population for that county is less than 6K people, so they may have had just 1 homicide.

Now what about everything around the Mississippi river?

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quantuminous OP t1_j19tont wrote

Tools: python, CRM Analytics, d3 and javascript

Sources:
https://www.countyhealthrankings.org/app/alabama/2022/downloads (first state)
https://dataverse.harvard.edu/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi:10.7910/DVN/VOQCHQ

The Heritage foundation article (see esp. Table 1 and footnote 25): https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/report/the-blue-city-murder-problem

Relevant previous Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/blwlig/the_cretaceous_period_145_to_66_million_years_ago/

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LanchestersLaw t1_j1af69w wrote

I applaud what was surely many hours painstaking looking for truth in the face of lazy lies.

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quantuminous OP t1_j1amkop wrote

Thanks for the feedback. Luckily I'm a nut about collecting demographics and frequently testing out different ideas as conversations come up, so I had already done most of the work before the article. I had even already included their data source in my data.

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Pinkydoodle2 t1_j1bg5tk wrote

Now let's see trump vs Biden states pls.

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CablePicker t1_j1bwj1s wrote

Will that fit your narative better? County view is much more informative. You basically admit your inherent bias and sound silly

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Pinkydoodle2 t1_j1bwvot wrote

Because counties have essentially no influence over concealed carry licenses.or how easy it is to buy a gun. They also have very little influence over public policy in general.

What you'll see at the state level is that states that enact nra backed policies consistently have not only higher rates of murder with a gun per Capita but also higher murder and suicide rates as a result. Also states that enact things like constitutional carry consistently see a spike in murder rates and gun violence.

This makes Biden districts look more violent but it would be more accurate to say that being poor in a red state is a better indicator.

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CablePicker t1_j1bzanp wrote

I think what this view shows is who is driving up the homicide rate in each state. I would say Biden districts are more violent based on this. Trump states are more violent but that is misleading, because it is the Biden districts within driving those numbers. Make sense?

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Pinkydoodle2 t1_j1bznq9 wrote

That's 100% what the heritage foundation has engineered here but that's not what it actually shows. If you looks at places that vote heavily for Biden but have sensible gun laws like NY, Cali, Mass, Connecticut, etc you'll see that Biden districts are actually less violent than Trump districts in spite of other factors like poverty.

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CablePicker t1_j1c1fg8 wrote

Do you see all that light brown/ tan on the map? Those are Trump counties in Trump states with low violence and loose gun laws.

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Pinkydoodle2 t1_j1c1les wrote

I think you're just a bit thick mate. Maybe go donate some money to the heritage foundation.

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CablePicker t1_j1cp3mf wrote

I don’t think you know what you’re talking about ‘mate’.

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Pinkydoodle2 t1_j1igi0n wrote

Lol, I think you're the one that has trouble understanding things.

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stewartm0205 t1_j1eexxz wrote

If you add suicide by gun then things get much worse for Trump’s country.

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The_Dreadlord t1_j1atbx6 wrote

A Republican will lie that black is white just to get votes from dead people.

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0tt0attack t1_j1hbwms wrote

This is nee or news. Per capita cities and suburbs have the least crime.

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fredinNH t1_j1av1k0 wrote

It’s all the gangs in Deep South rural towns. /s

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YodaCodar t1_j1dbgin wrote

IF you didn't know, there are actually more gangs in the deep south than in the north.

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h_david t1_j1eox5n wrote

Serious question, are there statistics on gang numbers by city? Seems like a tough thing to put a number on.

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