nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1rjojr wrote
Reply to comment by jrm19941994 in [OC] Women face greater Imposter Syndrome than Men, when starting Software Engineering Degrees, despite having similar high school averages by GeorgeDaGreat123
Not discrimination?
jrm19941994 t1_j1ruzth wrote
Not sure i understand your question, gonna need more context.
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j1x9g1t wrote
You say the core difference is temperment, as opposed to discrimination. It's very difficult to study temperment and isolate it from discrimination, whereas the opposite is easy and well-studied (think studies that present the same CVs with different names). So concluding that differences in gender temperment lead to higher rates of imposter syndrome is a radical conclusion, while concluding that these differences stem from lifelong discrimination is less radical (at least in the academic community, maybe not so much on this sub).
jrm19941994 t1_j1yv5lk wrote
I fail to see how the hypothesis that feeling self-conscious is positively associated with trait neuroticism is at all radical, in fact its about as self-evident as the hypothesis that people high in trait extraversion will have on average more social interactions in a given week.
I am unaware of the studies that use male vs female resumes specifically but would be interested to read them. I have seen where the used white vs African American vs African names, which was incredibly interesting as IIRC the resumes with "white" and "African" names did equally well, but the resumes with "African American" names did poorly, leading me to think the raters were using cultural vs racial cues to discriminate.
With regard to male vs female resumes, I am confident female would get an advantage applying to certain fields (for example childcare) while men would have an advantage in other fields (construction).
We must remember that those making hiring decisions are rationale actors who are trying to make the best decisions for their firm.
Speaking of the academic community, this seems to be an area where we see discrimination against males, as I have seen good data showing female academics on average only need to publish a fraction of the research their male colleagues do to get tenure.
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j20dtiq wrote
https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2012/issue131a/
Your last paragraph is just untrue, sounds like you're basing it on the nonsense Strumia study that was never accepted into a journal. You also oversimplify: citation data and publication metrics are not fully objective, but bias informs them as well.
jrm19941994 t1_j214vtx wrote
Fair enough, thank you for supplying me with some new info.
Care to address my first paragraph?
nocuzzlikeyea13 t1_j21kz4l wrote
Ehh idk how to address it because it's so subjective. You say it's obvious, I say more data is required. I'm personally pretty conservative/cautious when it comes to making links to predictive behavior from our cultural understanding of gender. I think it's easy to jump to conclusions based on broad stereotypes that don't hold up to scrutiny, but I don't know that I can really prove you're doing that.
jrm19941994 t1_j21mghl wrote
I am not using stereotypes at all.
All the Big 5 literature indicates women are higher in both neuroticism and agreeable than men, on average, across cultures, with more significant gender differences noted in more egalitarian countries such as the Scandinavian nations.
Now if we did a study where we looked at SAT scores, GPA, imposter syndrome incidence, and Big 5 aspect scale, then maybe we could learn something about gender differences in imposter syndrome specifically.
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