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Dragon-Ash t1_j6fpem5 wrote

Nice chart, but my god the color scheme is atrocious.

If any one of the Big Three wasn't around, how many grand slams would the other two have? How many grand slams would Andy Murray have?

The Big Three have all been in 30-33 grand slam finals and won 20-22; it's amazing how similar that is. Agassi was in 15 grand slams, won 8. Sampras was in 18 but won 14, which is crazy. Lendl was in 19 finals and only won 8, wow. Andy Murray has been in 11 finals (!!) but only won 3 because...yeah.

I had forgotten how many finals Murray's been in.

All three of them have extended periods of no titles - Djokovic has -two-!

I would imagine that players need that time to recuperate, it must be damn near impossible to stay at such a high level consistently for many years at a time.

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CyborgBee t1_j6hf6oj wrote

To take Djokovic as an example, he has 22 slams and 17 losses to other big 3 players at slams. So I'm guessing maybe 35 slam wins for him if the others didn't exist, and he's nowhere near finished either. Could've been 40.

Murray has 20 losses to the big 3 at slams, almost all of which were in the semis or final, and 3 titles. He also destroyed his body trying to compete with the big 3 and would likely have had a longer career as a top player without them. He would've had a real shot at Sampras' record and being the GOAT if they all didn't exist.

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Dragon-Ash t1_j6hnf41 wrote

Hard agree on this. He was this close to being an all-time great, except he happened to live in an era of not one, not two, but three all-time greats. If any one of the Big Three aren't around, I think Murray has double-digit grand slams. He lost in 10 semi-final matches, 8 of which were to one of the Big Three (the other two: Wawrinka and Roddick. No freebies anywhere).

Murray winning Wimbledon was one of my favorite tennis moments of my life, and I'm not even British.

Agassi won 8 grand slams. He probably should have had at least 12 if he had taken tennis & fitness more seriously earlier in his career. How many AOs did he leave on the table by not even playing?

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