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anonkitty2 t1_j3jd1rr wrote
Siberia is huge, last I checked. Maybe Rosstat doesn't subdivide that part of Russia. The Chinese province picked would be close to Siberia, relatively.
GeorgeDaGreat123 t1_j3jdcw6 wrote
I'm not wondering why they don't split up Russia's far east. I'm wondering why they don't include Russia's population as a whole versus China's population as a whole.
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salinization_nation t1_j3jx8a3 wrote
Heilongjiang (along with Jilin and Liaoning) is in demographic decline far faster than anywhere else in China or most of the world for that matter, owing to stagnation relative to other regions of China following the opening and reform.
GeorgeDaGreat123 t1_j3hxkzr wrote
Ah ok, so you're visualizing China's demographic threat. Is there a reason you're not just using Russia and China's total populations? From a Google Search, it seems that the Chinese province you used is "China's northernmost province, with remote mountain ranges" so it could just be that the Chinese in that province are moving to less remote, more urban Chinese towns/cities outside of that province.
outthemirror t1_j3jj23s wrote
This is exactly what has been happening.
anonkitty2 t1_j3jdom0 wrote
Western Russia isn't defined enough. Rosstat might count territories other countries believe are still other countries. Imagine the Crimea.
GeorgeDaGreat123 t1_j3jet01 wrote
That's fair, but it still wouldn't make this a valid comparison for what the author appears to be trying to show.
If I wanted to compare the change in population over time for the purposes of studying demographic, and I was looking at the US and Canada, unsure if they included Puerto Rico as part of the US data...I can't just take the population of Toronto and New York and extrapolate implying it represents something for all of Canada versus all of the US.
indestructible_deng t1_j3k19kp wrote
Did OP anywhere assert that it represents something for all of Russia versus all of China?
GeorgeDaGreat123 t1_j3k1lsd wrote
OP linked a tweet of this graphic with such a message, which they promptly deleted.
indestructible_deng t1_j3k4tkx wrote
Ah, I didn't see that. That does change the tenor of the post.
Populationdemography OP t1_j3hnxyg wrote
Far East of Russia and Helongjiang province of China births, 1991–2021
Sources: National bureau of statistics of China; Rosstat
Made with ms Excel instruments
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ASK_IF_IM_PENGUIN t1_j3hrax5 wrote
Whilst I'm also certain that Russia is collapsing, can we also compare to, let's say St. Petersburg?
madrid987 t1_j4nn9hq wrote
China has overcome Russia's disastrous birth rate.
GeorgeDaGreat123 t1_j3hw9he wrote
I'm a bit confused what this graph is meant to show. The data is easily understood but there are 30+ Chinese provinces, so I'm confused why you're choosing one specific one and comparing it to all of Russia's far east.