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senorali t1_iua9ndt wrote

It is very different. The stated goals of the organization have nothing to do with gender, but they discriminate based on gender. It's the sort of thing that makes people believe they're full of shit.


Bennito_bh t1_iuabjcy wrote

Nah man its not discrimination; the secret initiation involves your dick.


TheRidgeAndTheLadder t1_iuaaipo wrote

You can disagree with whether it's a goal that should be changed, it's a good conversation to have.

But the goal is specific: "make good men better".