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Legio-X t1_itp3281 wrote

  1. In ancient times, they were monotheists surrounded by polytheists. Their refusal to worship the gods of their overlords was considered a threat to the state because it risked divine retribution. This led to persecution by Babylon and the Seleucid Empire, and the same basic logic was behind the persecution of Early Christianity (which would’ve been regarded as just another Jewish sect for the first century or so).

  2. The blood libel. This antisemitic conspiracy theory goes all the way back to ancient times. Greek and Egyptian writers claimed Jews abducted gentiles, sacrificed them in the Temple, and ate them.

During the persecution of Early Christianity, these tropes resurfaced with the claim that Christians stole Roman children and ate them and drank their blood as part of Communion. But once Christianity became the dominant religion in Europe, this screed was retooled to target Jews. Instead of Christians stealing Roman children, it became Jews stealing Christian children. And instead of cannibalism as part of Communion, it became cannibalism as part of Passover.

Similar conspiracies cropped up during the Middle Ages, like the idea Jews were behind the Black Death because it didn’t hit their communities as hard.

  1. Religious differences with monotheistic majorities. Christian bigotry towards Jews was rooted in their refusal to accept Jesus as the Messiah and a perception of Jews as “Christ-killers” (even though it was the Roman Empire who executed him). Muslim bigotry was driven by their refusal to accept Mohammed as a divinely inspired prophet and convert to Islam.

  2. Medieval laws limited the trades Jews could practice and the property they could own, leading them to gravitate toward professions like medicine, law, and banking. Their proficiency at the latter led them to be stereotyped as greedy.

This is what led to the whole “Jewish elites secretly run the world” conspiracy theory, which was popularized by The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This was a document secret police in Tsarist Russia fabricated for use in antisemitic propaganda. You can trace a lot of modern antisemitism back to this forgery.

  1. Jews retained their own culture and ethnic identity, leading them to be regarded as outsiders more loyal to their own than to their government. Being such an obvious “other” made them the perfect scapegoat for whenever anything went wrong.

You can see examples of this from the conspiracies about them causing the Black Death all the way up to them being blamed for Germany losing World War One.

This intertwines with the last point in that rulers would often scapegoat them as a way to seize their wealth.

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Wanna_Know_More t1_itp4h0w wrote

Nice summary

With regards to point #4 and banking in particular, lending money was forbidden for Christians for a long time, so Jewish people were actually integral for nation states to operate. In places like medieval London, this would lead to the crown becoming heavily indebted to Jewish lenders, facing possible insolvency, and resorting to banishment of their Jewish populations under one pretense or another - in some cases with the local governments actually sowing discord between Christians (neighbors who also owed large sums of money) and Jewish people to put pressure on them.

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se7en41 t1_itp4o9a wrote

I would also add that their culture is so ingrained, so ancient, that they have a rare form of "generational wealth" most people can't see.

They're not "high ranking people" because of some weird cult, they're high ranking because they're the 19th person in a row that inherited (and had to learn how to manage) the family wealth.

There's nothing wrong with that, except for all the bitchy whiny "pre-millionaires" that think their piece of the pie is being stolen by a rabbi down the street. It's disgusting. How about you learn to manage your own wealth so your great grandkids can own shit too?

Edit: I can see where I sort of made generalizations, and that's not cool, that's my bad. I am referencing the Jewish communities I've encountered that represent high ranking lifestyles. Of course not every Jewish person is rich. I just feel that their culture inspires more generational thinking instead of the typical American "I got mine, you fuck off" mentality.

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odysseyshot t1_itowu0s wrote

Jewish wouldn't assimilate to the nations they moved to. If a group of Jewish people moved to, say, Germany, the Jewish people would have a different religion, language, and customs compared to the other German people. Even if a Jewish family had three generations of descendants in Germany those grandkids would still be very clearly different from other Germans. In our modern world we may see this as no big deal, diversity is encouraged now, but for most of history it just made a target on the backs of the Jewish.

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majwilsonlion t1_itoy9vl wrote

That said, my German ancestors moved to Texas in the 1830s and it wasn't until after/around WW1 that they started to figure it might be a good idea to start speaking more English.

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DrSmurfalicious t1_itoy5nl wrote

They seem pretty damn assimilated today though. I can't tell the difference most of the time. I'm fascinated as to why they experience such hate.

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sterexx t1_itp3kx5 wrote

A lot are, but a lot aren’t. Jews actually pay for the upkeep of a long wire encircling much of Manhattan so that it counts as a place they’re allowed to do certain stuff on the sabbath

They’ve got their own police-like force across the river in wburg, and other places with high concentrations of orthodox jews

and even among jews that are culturally assimilated, they maintain a much tighter social network than, say, the american great grandchildren of swedish immigrants. there are like 3 million of those and 7 million american jews. having a distinct religion will do that. lutheran swedes and germans intermixed in the midwest quite easily

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CptnFabulous420 t1_itozcnt wrote

I've heard stories about those communities still being present in many parts of the world. But we're becoming more culturally mixed generally due to advancements in travel and communication making the world smaller.

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weebeardedman t1_itpuvsu wrote

Eh, I'd argue out strength, at least with more secular/reform jews, is our ability to assimilate.

The orthodox jews, sure, they stick to themselves and their ways.

But a vast majority of jews are not orthodox.

Most jews you see, you wouldn't know. Most of us don't wear a yarmulke (except maybe in synagogue), a tallit, etc.

In fact, the attire you probably think of most (black hat, payos, black coat/pants) kind of has the "opposite" origins of what you'd expect. The outfit emulates what was popular in eastern Europe in the early 19th century, it was literally adopted by Jewish communities at the time to fit in better, or assimilate.

For whatever reason, the orthodox seemed to have twisted the purpose of the attire, and now use it to stand out/differentiate themselves. There's nothing, religiously, that requires/asks of it.

A good amount of my family is orthodox, and a good amount of them follow the law, rather than tradition - as to say they wear a head covering (ball cap) and wear a tallit under their clothes mostly, just with the 13 tassels hanging out near their waist. Anything further is their own choice, has nothing to do with God, its them wanting to stand out.

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xProximaB t1_itp0997 wrote

We I could be completely wrong in my assumption here but I feel the other major Abrahamic religions (Christianity and Islam) always saw Judaism as a threat and undermined them to the core.

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Raestloz t1_itp3z75 wrote

A lot of people posting random long answers

The real answer, is that the Jews were necessary evil

The Jews had a kingdom, the one that they claimed to be built by David. That kingdom crumbled when the Romans came along and invaded the Levant. The Jews weren't pleased by this and wanted to re-establish their independence, and generally harassed the Romans however they can, which did not endear them to the Romans but that's par for the course compared to the Germans

After that, Christianity came knocking. For obvious reasons the Jews just don't mingle with Christians, which was fine for the first few centuries but then Emperor Constantine the Great adopted Christianity and basically made it state religion.

The biggest problem with Christianity isn't just that they claim to be Judaism 2.0: the problem is it specifically bans usury

This was a big problem to Christian rulers who sometimes need to borrow money to fund whatever it is that Christian rulers want. That's why Christian rulers exploit one specific fact: Christianity banned Christians from lending money for the express hope of getting paid more, but it never bans borrowing money with the understanding you have to pay back more

So the Christian rulers borrow money from the Jews, and as everyone knows the painful part of borrowing money is paying it back. By getting paid more than they lend out the Jews naturally accumulate wealth, which caused concern among rulers. Realms may be wealthy but the kings themselves often are not, and nothing stokes the fear of a king more than his subjects growing wealthier than himself

This concern caused the rulers to shoo Jews away from important political positions, such as ministers and military commanders. This naturally pigeonholed the Jews to be merchants, which paired with their primary use of being a loanshark caused them to amass even more wealth. This caused the feedback loop of them growing wealthier and rulers growing more concerned

This also worked on the lower social strata. Merchants weren't viewed that favorably back then, Indians for example placed merchants at the bottom of social ranking even below servants because merchants - always looking for profit - are viewed full of lies and deceit.

Eventually, the Jews became a natural, easy scapegoat whenever christian rulers need someone to blame for their misfortunes. The Black Death for example was at some point blamed at the Jews. This was because by banishing the Jews the rulers can seize their assets, and since the Jews were naturally rich that's a lot of assets to prop up the king, plus in so doing whatever debt the ruler had would've been nullified

So you have a bunch of rich people who literally weren't allowed to be anything but rich, living near poor people who view them as nothing but liars and deceivers, practicing an old, different version of your religion, and basically sticking to each other not opening up because Judaism doesn't proselytize, and they get blamed for everything simply for their money

Not a wonder that Jews were not treated well

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Hydrasaur t1_itox5ly wrote

Because we're different. For starters, In a polytheistic world, we believed in just one G-d. In a Christian and Muslim dominated world, we still believe in the scriptures they consider "outdated".

That just scrapes the surface, but overall it's our ability to survive and resist attempts to destroy us as a people. Instead, we were scattered throughout the middle east and Europe, always viewed with suspicion, and easily making a useful scapegoat. We were viewed at best as disloyal subjects, and more often as foreigners who pull the puppetstrings and control the events of history and governments. Antisemitism was one of the earliest and easiest forms of racism to engage in, it's become so deeply ingrained in most cultures that few recognize when it's right in front of rhem.

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DrSmurfalicious t1_itoyjl2 wrote

>Because we're different.

You're no more different than anyone else.

> we believed in just one G-d.

But it's the same God as Muslims and Christians believe in?

And even in very secular and atheist countries Jews experience antisemitism. It's all just really weird to me.

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Schnutzel t1_itozetw wrote

You're ignoring history. Antisemitism didn't just pop up in the 20th century, it had existed for hundreds of years. The reasons provided by /u/Hydrasaur explain how antisemitism came to be, not why it exists now. Now it exists because it has been perpetuated since the middle ages.

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DrSmurfalicious t1_itp0cw5 wrote

Sure, but things change, or should change, over time. Many groups of people have been discriminated against in the past that aren't today.

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Schnutzel t1_itp0en5 wrote

Of course. There's a lot less antisemitism now than there was 100 years ago. But it still exists.

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Hydrasaur t1_itq0c4e wrote

Sure, that tends to be the case, but we've always been an outlier throughout history. Discrimination follows us wherever we go, and persists throughout millennia to this day, perhaps by virtue of the fact that it's existed for so long, and has been so systemically ingrained, and perhaps because of the diaspora forcing us to spread out. We've always been an easy target, especially with antisemitism taking the form of conspiracy theories, portraying us as attempting to undermine the established order.

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Hydrasaur t1_itpzpac wrote

You're missing my point; that's how we're perceived by the rest of the world, not necessarily what we are.

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Soraflair t1_itp0fvs wrote

No the Talmud does not say that non Jews are not human.

Infact multiple times God gets pissed off at the Jews and kills them / ruins their lives, etc.

The Bible is filled with stories of the Jewish people constantly fucking up. Its not a self flattering book at all. Countless times God calls them stubborn people.

In fact at one point, God literally gets so annoyed with them, that he says he can't even be around them even for a moment or else he'd end up killing them:

"God said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites, ‘You’re one hard-headed people. I couldn’t stand being with you for even a moment—I’d destroy you. So take off all your jewelry until I figure out what to do with you.’” So the Israelites stripped themselves of their jewelry from Mount Horeb on." (Exodus 33:5)

The Jews do not see themselves as superior to other humans. The Bible is extremely clear on this.

Edit Bonus: The reason they self isolate, is because they were instructed too, infact one of the primary reasons is that if they married the local girls in the region they were in, they'd be turned away from God and worship their local Idols. (By the way they did marry the local girls, and they did totally abandon God, and worship those idols. . .)

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