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Mastodon996 t1_iy86qzq wrote

Saying that something offers hearing protection is a claim that it has been tested and shown to be effective at protecting the user's ears. Most earbud/headphone makers won't make such a claim because testing is expensive and anyway, that's not what the product is for. It's for listening to media. What is to prevent a user from cranking the music volume up too loud, damaging their hearing, and suing the device manufacturer because they claimed it was hearing "protection"?

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lellololes t1_iy87gzi wrote

Active noise cancelling headphones do not filter out all sounds. In fact, many loud tools are not going to be affected at all.

And there in lies the crux of the matter. Active noise cancelling doesn't stop all noise. They also have limits in terms of how much sound and what types of sound they can cancel out.

It is hard to make a claim that they protect your hearing when they don't protect your hearing consistently.

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iamnogoodatthis t1_iy8zhev wrote

Noise cancelling headphones work by playing the exact opposite sound wave, to cancel it out to nothing. This means that they can only cancel sounds that are as loud as the loudest sound they can play, anything louder they won't be able to cancel out fully. And because they don't want to get sued / fined for playing noise at ear-damaging levels, they cannot cancel out noises that are ear-damagingly loud. They can help a bit, because they do cover your ears and hence dull the sound a little, but they cannot substitute proper ear protection.

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Wickedsymphony1717 t1_iy8n4yo wrote

A few reasons, 2 really noticeable ones. The first and most important is that in order to make that claim you need to prove it under scientific conditions and testing, which is expensive and time consuming. Product manufacture don't want to waste money on that if it's not their intended goal, especially considering most headphone companies put out new products regularly, and each one would need to undergo that testing.

Another important thing is that active noise canceling works not by blocking sound but by creating sound waves that destructive interfere with the outside sound waves. This means they (in theory) should be emitting sound waves of the same amplitude and frequency just 180° out of phase of the incoming sound to be blocked. While this would technically make the sound dampened, it is a much greater risk to the user because suddenly you have 2 loud sound waves being directed at your ear, and if the active noise dampening fails for some reason, suddenly they're not working to protect your hearing at all. This is why passive hearing protection is much safer than active. Passive is usually when a material just blocks the sound from reaching your ear at all.

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nesquikchocolate t1_iy8r88c wrote

Safe exposure to noise levels is measured in doses over duration. "Softer" noise over a long duration can be just as damaging as louder noise over a shorter duration.

Active noise cancellation can reduce this compounding effect over longer durations, but as you've stated already, there's little benefit to funding the medical trials needed for certification, when your competitors will undercut you on price and release products more often than you ever could.

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turniphat t1_iy8dar3 wrote

It is, the just don't advertise them as such because that's not the target market they are going after.

Search for 'active hearing protection' and you'll find basically the same devices but for a different market.

https://www.amazon.com/active-hearing-protection/s?k=active+hearing+protection

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Squid_At_Work t1_iy8zuui wrote

Yup, more or less.

I have multiple pairs of active hearing protection for shooting and for work. These are really common and my personal favorite. The only downside I have found is you lose the ability to tell direction of noise very well. It turns "Front left and above me" into just "my left" or "my right" Ironically, even with this downside, I can still hear better with them on vs without them.

They are a must have item for new shooters as they can still hear when giving directions.

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shellshocktm t1_iy8i8m4 wrote

Don't know what everyone is saying here because ANC was actually developed for the aviation industry specifically to protect pilots' hearing. The ones that are commercially available just aren't good enough to be protective to that degree. A good pair will be expensive and work well to block out noises and reduce the exterior loudness.

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Gnonthgol t1_iy87vfa wrote

Noise canceling headphones does have limits to what they can cancel out. The speakers and amplifiers in them have a maximum strength and the software and microphones have issues with some sounds. The noise canceling feature might even do some loud sounds worse. The background noise you hear when walking in public is usually low enough not to cause any sort of issues. The sounds which do cause damage to your hearing tends to overload the noise canceling features anyway.

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casualstrawberry t1_iy889q2 wrote

ANC headphones may not be rigorously tested for hearing loss protection, but the perceived reduction in volume is real. As in, if it feels quieter for your ears, then you are protecting your ears from those sounds. As others have said, large transient sounds will not be cancelled as much, and you will certainly hear those as louder, and even possibly too loud.

I think the misconception might be based on knowing that ANC headphones use an equal but opposite sound to cancel the incoming sound. So twice the sound going into your ear must not be healthy. But the air pressure does cancel prior to reaching your eardrum. If you can't hear it, it's not hurting your ears, (mostly).

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Ippus_21 t1_iy8iw5j wrote

Hearing protection actually blocks out sound pressure (which causes direct physical damage to some parts of the inner ear).

Noise-cancelling doesn't do that. Noise cancellation technology makes noise of its own, designed to create an interference patter with sounds you hear so that they don't register as noise.

So... if you're going to be in an industrial or other loud environment (concert, shooting range, trainyard, etc) where you're exposed to problematic decibel levels, choose actual hearing protection, not noise-cancelling tech.

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mostofit OP t1_iy8juhm wrote

okay yes this is what i’ve heard as well. ( i work in a wood shop) but again i don’t really understand why. the noise cancelling makes it sounds so quiet. why doesn’t it help?

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Ippus_21 t1_iy8p3e7 wrote

Because it only makes it "sound" quiet, without necessarily reducing the actual sound pressure you're exposed to, and it provides no protection against v. loud or percussive sounds.

Tbf, some legit hearing protection also includes noise cancelling, or has other technology to let, e.g., normal speech filter through and just break off the peak decibels.

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nesquikchocolate t1_iy8qqw0 wrote

Yeah, no... That's definitely wrong. Active noise cancellation (ANC) reduces the sound energy which makes it to your eardrum.

To claim that it works medically, though, takes years of medical trials under rigorous standard. Very few companies have the desire, drive or funding to commit to such an endeavor, and it won't help their bottom line either, because now other companies can use this research to support their own claims about protecting your hearing.

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Mdly68 t1_iy9x4bx wrote

The same reason a hat doesn't protect your head in a motorcycle accident. That's not the intent of the design. You need a helmet.

If you want to protect your hearing, you need physical cups that go over your ears and actually BLOCKS the sound waves. Noise cancelation can be added on top of it for a better experience. But it isn't going to do the job by itself. Noise cancelation isn't a force field.

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The_RealKeyserSoze t1_iyabks2 wrote

They actually can protect your hearing, but only in certain situations, and not in others.

They work by producing sound waves that “cancel out” or destructively interfere with the sound from outside. This is very good for steady background noises like a lawnmower or airplane. But really bad for changing or sudden noises like a gunshot loud concert. In the later scenarios the sound generated to cancel out the outside noise is on a slight delay so it might be too late and it might not be able to fully cancel the outside sound.

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Substantial-Long-461 t1_iy8856e wrote

NC make opposing soundwaves but don't physically block noises. Fast cars, trash trucks make vibration I can feel when they pass. I'd need to physically block (earplugs) to reduce, measured in db on the package.

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The_Falc0n t1_iy8zedr wrote

On the contrast that’s exactly what ANC does. It produced sound waves that destructively interfere with the existing sound waves so that they are effectively destroyed or reduced in power by the time they reach your eardrum. Additionally ANC headphones encourage the user to listen to their music at lower volumes as they don’t need to drown out exterior noise, also helping reduce ear damage

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Dahlia-la-la-la t1_iy8chc3 wrote

I’m no scientist but yes to this response. It’s what I was thinking too.

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