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sass-pancake t1_j2ddex7 wrote

It’s not so much a set in stone requirement, as much as a practical reality of budgeting. If the business owner sees one department consistently not spending their full budget, they think that department doesn’t need that budget.

Now in large corporations the ones making those decisions are disconnected from actual operations, so they don’t know the broader context of why that budget wasn’t used

Tl;Dr: assholes with business degrees

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angrybird7677 OP t1_j2dqijr wrote

>. If the business owner sees one department consistently not spending their full budget, they think that department doesn’t need that budget

This kind of thinking is prevalent in my company too (a project manager told me the exact same thing), but isn't it mind boggling they will think like this? Why don't they ask the dept why? Perhaps they were really able to help the company save money? There should be a policy that saved monies can be carried over to future years which the dept can draw from in case of real emergency.

Just imagine the amount each company can save if everyone adopts a cost savings attitude

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rpsls t1_j2eazmo wrote

Some of that is due to the quarterly reporting requirements of many large (often public) companies. Once you go over a quarterly-- and especially a yearly-- boundary, that lack of spend gets "locked in" as profit. At that point it's subject to corporate taxes, and potentially even a portion returned to the stockholders or however else the corporate governance has agreed to disposition profits.

Amazon famously operated at a zero profit for a decade, re-investing all profits and owing no taxes on no income. If some manager had claimed to need a few million then didn't spend it (but prevented it from being invested elsewhere in the company), they'd probably be fired, not celebrated for "saving" money.

If you're tracking your spend throughout the year, and not spending the expected amount in one area, there are also potentially other ways to spend that money to get a better return than it sitting in someone's "unspent" account as cash. And if a manager is going to argue they still need it, they'd darn well better need it.

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Spcynugg45 t1_j2eso9d wrote

Not like an ELI 5 but I thought this explanation would be a good follow up to the comment you just made. Maybe a bit long but I have a lot of experience in this area and you seem genuinely interested so I hope it's helpful to you.

You're absolutely right that type of thinking is prevalent in companies and that there is an enormous amount of value to be unlocked if everyone has a cost saving attitude. As someone who works in corporate financial planning I can tell you that most CFOs and people in Finance roles don't want the entire budget spent, particularly if its on fluff that's not needed. Alternatively, finance can also be ok with some areas going over budget. For example, the sales department is over budget because they have higher commission expense due to greatly exceeding revenue projections.

It's mainly a problem with human behavior based on outdated expectations and assumptions around how corporate budgets work. A lot of companies would historically budget just by taking last year's spending and then deciding to add %, keep it the same, or cut % based on business conditions. In that kind of environment front line managers are incentivized to spend because if they don't they get less funding, and they care more about their specific scope of work than the overall corporate profitability. Finance groups set controls and policy to try and mitigate this behavior.

There are still companies that operate that way, but many companies now are much more sophisticated than that and have a team dedicated to working with business leaders to set budgets based on bottoms-up business plans, zero based budgeting, or some other methodology which focuses on justifying all spend. Companies can tie funding to specific plans and then require a specific level of approval for when business requirements deviate from the plan in order to change it.

Senior leadership's role is to set constraints and ensure that the various business plans come together in a way that keeps the overall corporate financial picture right, and make trade offs if needed. They also approve or reject changes.

There are a lot of reasons why companies don't have a policy of letting each department keep their saved money for future years. Two main ones are the need to reallocate to different areas and also the tendency for people to overspend if they have control over contingency funding.

Here's one example to think about. The customer service department is under budget for the year because they have less customer service reps than they projected they would need, which saves the company $500k. From a finance perspective there can be good and bad reasons for that. Bad reasons might be things like recruiting wasn't able to hire enough reps, attrition was higher than expected because of bad work conditions, etc. In those cases you would expect to keep the $500k in the budget for the next year because the customer service group still needs to increase their headcount in order to meet things like customer satisfaction or average wait time requirements.

A good reason might be that the newest product release was smooth and complaints decreased which means that the call center can be sustainably staffed at a lower level. In that case you might want to take the $500k and either expect a higher profit margin or invest it into another department. Maybe the IT team can accelerate development on an application for customer service reps that will lead to more savings in the future.

TL,DR: Many companies actually do look at this stuff in great detail and try to plan logically. It's typically individual department heads and front line managers who make bad financial decisions. They do this because of the way there incentives are set up and human nature. Finance companies try to design control processes and policies to mitigate it.

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clocks212 t1_j2dv2xh wrote

Our company operates both ways, depending on the year (or quarter). Sometimes every department must return $X million to the company. Sometimes we get to December and rush to sign a new contract by the end of the year to “use up” the budget.

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primalmaximus t1_j2evpzz wrote

There's also taxes. Companies get tax cuts if their net revenue is below a certain point.

Basically, if a company makes a gross revenue of $1 million, but their operation costs were $750 thousand, then they get taxed on the $250 thousand that was their net revenue.

A lot of companies, such as Netflix when they started out, will take advantage of this system. They will purposely spend money to recklessly grow their catalogue, causing them to be in the red by the time taxes are due. Which gives them tax breaks that don't reflect the reality of how they are purposely gaming the system.

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