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WinBarr86 t1_j6dqxpg wrote

Ok let me use another example.

Glass. Glass is a non fluid liquid.

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superbob201 t1_j6dsfmb wrote

Glass is not a liquid. It's either a solid using the grade-school definition, or in a separate state of matter that is almost, but not quite, solid.

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WinBarr86 t1_j6duiyg wrote

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080704153507.htm#:~:text=and%20lubrication%20industries.-,advertisement,its%20shape%20like%20a%20solid.

amorphous solid is a liquid that does not flow: its atomic structure is disordered like that of a liquid but it is rigid and holds its shape like a solid.

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superbob201 t1_j6duzze wrote

It is similar to both liquid and solid. If we were sticking to the big 4, it would reasonably be a solid. If we are allowing an expansion of the defined states, it would be a separate state that is neither liquid nor solid.

Edit: Note that in the article they keep switching between calling them 'solids that behave like liquids' and 'liquids that behave like solids'. Suggesting that neither category is really applicable.

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WinBarr86 t1_j6dvuxm wrote

There are way more than 4 states of mater.

Schools teach the wrong shit to keep it super simple. There are 7 states of matter that I'm aware of.

I will die on this hill.

Not all fluids are liquid and not all liquids are fluid. You have non newtonian fluids that are not liquids and you have amorphous solids that have the make up of liquids but are not fluid.

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superbob201 t1_j6dy1o4 wrote

Amorphous solids are not liquid. They are amorphous solid. They have properties of both solids and liquids, but they are neither.

There are far more than 7 states, and it is pretty likely that any list you or I or an expert in the field could come up with would be incomplete 20 years from now.

You are dying on the hill of 'There are more than four states of matter, but we must place everything in one of those states'

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WinBarr86 t1_j6dy9cz wrote

Amorphous solids are solids that have an atomic makeup closer to a liquid.

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phunkydroid t1_j6f8nq4 wrote

Your link is about solids that flow, not liquids that don't flow. Amorphous solids are solids. It's right there in the name.

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LordEarArse t1_j6drmqa wrote

Keep digging.

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WinBarr86 t1_j6dtv7l wrote

Amorphous solids like glass.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080704153507.htm#:~:text=and%20lubrication%20industries.-,advertisement,its%20shape%20like%20a%20solid.

amorphous solid is a liquid that does not flow: its atomic structure is disordered like that of a liquid but it is rigid and holds its shape like a solid. Amorphous materials include silica glass and a multitude of other materials of different origins, such as soft glasses (like concentrated emulsions, mousses and colloidal glasses)

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LordEarArse t1_j6hja1u wrote

A web page with 'science' in the URL that agrees with your misinformed opinion. Yeah; I'll take that as sufficient evidence to refute a universe of facts.

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ToxiClay t1_j6drbt7 wrote

That's admittedly a common misconception, but glass is an amorphous solid. It's not a liquid in any sense of the term, even though the atomic structure resembles a super-cooled liquid.

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WinBarr86 t1_j6dtdh3 wrote

Amorphous means it changes.

Definition.

An amorphous solid is a liquid that does not flow: its atomic structure is disordered like that of a liquid but it is rigid and holds its shape like a solid.Jul 7, 2008

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080704153507.htm#:~:text=and%20lubrication%20industries.-,advertisement,its%20shape%20like%20a%20solid.

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ToxiClay t1_j6dtyue wrote

That's the same misconception.

"Amorphous solid" means that it lacks the long-range order characteristic of crystalline material. It resembles a liquid, but it is not a liquid.

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WinBarr86 t1_j6du8sq wrote

W.e man. I litteraly linked the definition of amorphous solid.

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ToxiClay t1_j6duppj wrote

You did, and you're still wrong.

An amorphous solid can be described like a liquid, but that doesn't mean it is one. An amorphous solid does not flow; it does not assume the shape of its container.

It is not a liquid.

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WinBarr86 t1_j6dws6k wrote

An amorphous material has a liquid atomic structure but does not flow as a fluid.

That is the litteral definition of amorphous materials.

They are classified as a solid liquid or non fluid liquid.

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ToxiClay t1_j6dx1mg wrote

They're solids. An amorphous solid is a solid.

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WinBarr86 t1_j6dxwrs wrote

That has the atomic makeup of liquid structure. A non crystalline lattice.

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ToxiClay t1_j6dyn7u wrote

But it's still a solid.

>In condensed matter physics and materials science, an amorphous solid (or non-crystalline solid) is a solid that lacks the long-range order that is characteristic of a crystal. The terms "glass" and "glassy solid" are sometimes used synonymously with amorphous solid; however, these terms refer specifically to amorphous materials that undergo a glass transition. Examples of amorphous solids include glasses, metallic glasses, and certain types of plastics and polymers.


>An amorphous metal (also known as metallic glass, glassy metal, or shiny metal) is a solid metallic material, usually an alloy, with disordered atomic-scale structure. Most metals are crystalline in their solid state, which means they have a highly ordered arrangement of atoms. Amorphous metals are non-crystalline, and have a glass-like structure.

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WinBarr86 t1_j6dz1i3 wrote

Science named it amorphous solids.

In the most basic sense it's a solid liquid. But that's not conducive to the model so they named it amorphous solid.

It's a solid that is atomicly a liquid or should be according to the standard model of physics. But it's not. So it's an amorphous solid.

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ToxiClay t1_j6e00op wrote

It's not a liquid at all, my dude. It's a solid that has short-range order, but not long-range order.

It fits no other properties of a liquid.

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Way2Foxy t1_j6e0krj wrote

But he found a single paper from 2008 that, if read a certain way, supports his view! He must be right!

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Belzeturtle t1_j6ep8h7 wrote

Physicist here. Amorphous doesn't mean it changes. Amorphous means "it has no long-range order". As opposed to crystalline solids, where this longe-range translational symmetry is present.

Glass is an amorphous solid. It's not a liquid. It has a structure somewhat similar to a liquid, but calling it "a liquid which doesn't flow" is like calling a tank "an aeroplane that doesn't fly".

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phunkydroid t1_j6f8v5e wrote

>Amorphous means it changes

No, it doesn't. It means it has non crystalline structure.

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