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todlee t1_j6m42am wrote

Essentially, desal turns energy into water. You’re right that mass media has this tendency to write stories about breakthroughs, but they’re either tiny incremental improvements, or baloney.

In places that have almost no other water, like Israel, it makes sense. But if you have sources of water that cost half as much, it’s often cheaper to save a gallon of cheap water than it is to generate a gallon of desal water. So in places like Santa Barbara or northern San Diego County, it’s more like a last resort, the last water source they draws upon.

Desal is, at its heart, forcing water through a very fine filter, a filter so fine that it lets little more than water molecules though. The sort of pressure you need to force water through the filter is like pumping the water to a tank on a 1500’ tower. Which is doable, but at the scale of a city of 100,000 people it would be crazy expensive. At least compared to other cheaper sources of water.

There are consumable costs to an RO desal plant too, such as the filters themselves. They have to be replaced after a while and they’re not cheap. It’s great if those costs come down but they’re marginal compared just to the energy required to filter every single gallon of water. And that cost is really set by the global energy market.

Distillation and filtering are both energy expensive. So is electrolysis. If it weren’t we could produce hydrogen gas cheaply, run hydrogen fuel cells to generate electricity, and generate water as a waste product. There’s cheaper sources of hydrogen though, and a fuel cell bus emits just a tiny trickle of water from its exhaust. So if you try to use electrolysis to generate hydrogen to run a hydrogen fuel cell to power your electrolysis, it’s not going to give you free energy. It takes as much energy to break those bonds as is released when you form them.

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todlee t1_j6m6013 wrote

Part 2: Santa Barbara famously built an expensive desal plant in the 90s which was promptly decommissioned because it started raining again. They’ve refurbished it and brought it back on line now.

If a city has multiple sources of water, they can turn to desal (or reverse osmosis of wastewater even) if they are running short. But the initial costs of building such a plant run into the hundreds of millions of dollars. Which raises the cost of water. And guess what? After a certain point necessary for cooking and hygiene, water consumers will cut back on water use if the cost rises. So a city could build a desal plant, then raise rates to pay for it, only to push their customers into conserving enough that they don’t have to run the desal plant. They could’ve just raised rates to manage demand, and not built the plant, saved $300 million, but in places like California it’s illegal to set rates like that.

A lot of California cities, 25%+ of water is used on lawns. That’s the culture after decades of underpriced water. Charge something approaching the real price, and people suddenly don’t want to be responsible for large swaths of ornamental sod any more. Places in the Middle East need desal. Most places in the US would have enough water if it was priced appropriately.

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