The point of therapy is just to identify ways your thinking is causing you problems and to learn techniques to help solve them.

I’m just someone that’s been helped by therapy though—I’d love to see some replies from therapists out there who could expand on this :)

Why have you seen 14 of them?

And what are you expecting of them?

Usually it's to get someone to start thinking rationally about their situation and to deal with their issues constructively.

I don’t mean this to be a smartass but that would legitimately be a valuable conversation to have with a therapist.

Ideally therapy is to help you find and open the right metaphorical door to help you on the path to achieving your goal. Sometimes people can't discover the right path themselves or the root of the problem they're trying to solve and good therapists help to identify where problems might stem from, or ask you the right questions to get you thinking about your path in a different way or from a different perspective, to try to shed some light on the next best step to take for your own journey

You're either going to really terrible therapists or you seem to have no idea why you are going.

So my question to you is: what is the point of YOUR therapy?

What are you trying to solve? Fix a problem in your life? Help with grief? mental illnesses? marriages? early life exploration for bad patterns? Cognitive behavioral therapy for trying to stop harmful practices and stop current bad patterns?

There's zillions of different approaches and most of them are pretty useless. Not everyone who works on cars specializes in transmissions, right? So, don't go to a tire store if you have a transmission problem even though both businesses "fix cars".

What is the problem you are trying to solve? Then people can guide you to the best help avail.

What I learned from therapy is that the point is to learn effective skills for coping with life's challenges. It won't fix all your problems but it'll teach you how to stop making them worse by behaving irrationally due to mental and emotional stress. With effective coping mechanisms, you can start building a life you feel is worth living.

What do you hope to gain from going to therapy? Why did you seek therapy to begin with?

Are you stressed? Anxious? Eating problems? Depressed? Angry? Lonely? Sad? Overwhelmed? Experienced trauma?

Find your SPECIFIC adjective and you’ll find the point of therapy for YOU.

For me, I was anxious, overwhelmed, and had an eating disorder. I sought therapy to help me feel peace and understanding. I met with her every other week for 2 years and I’ve learned so much about myself and the way I think. She’s insightful without being judgmental and challenges me to look from another viewpoint.

Just reading your replies I think I was in a similar spot for about the same number of years, feeling bad in a nebulous kind of way and knowing that therapy was the done thing for these kinds of feelings, I didn't do as much therapy shopping as you but I definitely had a lot of sessions where it felt like I was just paying to sit in a room with someone and just chat about my day.Unfortunately therapy isn't something that is done to you it's something you participate in but frustratingly no one will tell you what that participation is supposed to look like, I think that's just because therapists are terrified of leading you to conclusions that don't fit your situation, life coaches are all about that but a lot of them are snake oil salesmen.The way I fixed most of this was introspection, realising I was hurting in some way, or was frustrated by my emotional/mental responses to certain situations or that certain behaviours that caused trouble in my life were popping up despite my attempts to stop, or that I was experiencing friction in certain ways with more than one person which led me to a belief that maybe I was doing something wrong on my part that needed correcting.So the question is, does anything pop up for you when you ask those questions of yourself or consciously observe yourself in your day to day life? If so, that's the kind of stuff you bring to a therapist, like "I can't stop thinking X thoughts and it's causing me distress" or "no matter how hard I try I can't stop spending money" or "when I'm in X situation or thinking about X thing or around X person I get sad or angry". Journaling about your day or your thoughts can help a whole lot with this process of discovery, but if none of this quite fits it may just be that your general situation is causing some sort of mental distress like in the case of situational depression from things like poverty, therapy can't do much in that situation unfortunately, at least until the situation causing the distress is improved or changed in some way.
Edit to add: A big thing that helped for me was not trying to do therapy right, for a long time I was going about therapy in the way I thought I was supposed to, but I gained a lot of ground when I started just being radically honest about how I thought and felt, as soon as you start doing that pretty often there will be moments where your therapist will pull you up on something and you'll have the realisation that something you thought was normal is actually harmful for your wellbeing, or could very well be the product of trauma

Have you asked your parents why they have you in therapy?

There are lots of different types of therapy, and they all tend to work best if you go in with specific goals so that your therapist can tailor their approach (e.g. I want to change a behaviour pattern, or improve my self esteem, or manage my panic attacks etc etc). A good therapist has the expert knowledge to help you identify where your problems are coming from and/or recommend strategies to help.

Most of the therapy I've done is CBT which is pretty popular, it's based on behavioural psychology and is essentially about recognising and responding to your unhealthy thinking/behaviour. Acceptance and commitment and dialectic therapies are more mindfulness based. Or if you're in the US (possibly elsewhere but I've never done it in Aus) psychodynamic/psychoanalytic therapy is a bit more popular, that's the Freud type stuff where you delve into your childhood more. Most good therapists will use a combination of approaches but picking one that aligns with your goals is important.

I disagree with the idea that talking to a therapist is like venting to a friend, they are very different relationships. If I've done all the talking in a therapy session I feel seriously short-changed!

Have you ever heard the expression, “can’t see the forest for the trees?” When I go to therapy, I say all this stuff that’s bothering me and the therapist helps me find the bigger picture to what’s happening. I can address the one big thing instead of being bogged down with a million little ones.

You go to a therapist so they can hold up a mirror to you and you can start to really see whats causing you a problem.

And then they help you find a solution that would work for you. After that, you need to put efforts in.

Sometimes they cant help you because you arent telling the whole truth, sometimes youre not mentally or physically ready to seek help, and sometimes the therapist cant help you, for many different reasons

If you saw 14 therapist and none of them helped at all, you might need to take a minute and really ask yourself if and how you want to get help.

If you have any questions you can reach out, I am a lisenced therapist. Sometimes theres nothing I can do to help someone other than to refer them to another therapist.

My therapist explained it like that. You have certain reactions and feelings to certain triggers or environments. By going to the therapy you talk about it, figure out why do you react in a certain way and eventually you developed new neural pathways on top of those old ones with unpleasant reactions. But this is for psychoanalysis, other types might work differently, but general idea is similar from what I understand.

Also this is normal to go through a huge amount of therapists, mine said that finding a fitting one for you is about as hard as finding a perfect wife/husband.

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The point is to understand your current patterns of behaviors in the context of your previous life experiences which caused your brain to establish those patterns of behavior. Usually people seek therapy because those patters are maladaptive, meaning that they are behaviors that aren’t working for you. They aren’t healthy for you.

A good therapist will guide you in conversation (the therapeutic relationship) to try and uncover those previous experiences and help you connect the dots to your current behavior. Once you understand why you act or think a certain way, you can make more informed decisions about whether you will keep doing that, or try to change.

If you have a bad therapist, they won’t be good at that. It’s a hard skill. But you could also be a bad patient - either unwilling to do the work, or lacking in self-reflection to be able to connect the dots, or having very specific psychiatric conditions which prevent you from engaging in therapy honestly.

Watch some Dr K (HealthyGamerGG) videos of his sessions with various entertainers, he’s pretty good at it and you can see the process in action with a skilled therapist.

Also worth checking out the HBO drama series “In Treatment” which shows a flawed therapist getting too involved with some of his patients but mixed in with some fictional therapy sessions which are quite good (but unrealistically short).

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If nothing else, therapy is a good way to talk about your thoughts + feelings to a neutral third party, for some unbiased feedback.

Some people find talking to someone non-judgemental and trained on uncovering past trauma to be helpful.

It isn't for everyone. Personally (abusive alcoholic father) I can't think of anything worse and it's been intensely horrible even discussing it with mental health nurses. For me, bring on the medication to wipe that shit from my mind 99% of the time.

You don't say why you're seeking therapy, but I would guess either your personality type isn't one that is suited to therapy, or whatever you're seeking therapy for isn't something easily solved by therapy. It's important to remember the brain is hugely complex especially when it comes to past trauma, and sometimes you will need medical help/medicine rather than/in addition to talking therapies, especially for intrusive thoughts, depression etc. Remember, if you only have a hammer then everything is a nail, and if you're a therapist you're likely to think therapy can solve more than it actually can, just like doctors think medical interventions can solve more than they can. The reality is somewhere in the middle.

Either way, I hope you get it sorted.

I don’t go see a therapist, but I write. I feel (I think)it works in a similar way.

The way it benefits me. I take something that happens to me and I write it down. Then I try to write a negative thing about it and a positive thing. More often than not, because it takes me a few seconds more to write than to think…my brain is forced to slow down. And it triggers more thoughts. Sometimes I research those thoughts and write my new and improved version which, triggers more thoughts and analyses.

On top of it forcing me to slow down, it also feels less intrusive when I do it…than when someone else does it…and I also don’t have to prove anything to myself. After I’m done…most of the time I end up burning my thoughts…in case someone else reads it.

I’ve been doing this for 20 years and I feel a constant analyses helps smooth the bumpy ride. The bumpy rides won’t go away…but, to me at least, it feels like I’m better equipped to deal with the bumps.

Good luck.

I wish you well on your journey of self discovery.

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It's supposed to work by work. You show up more than just physically. Do your part and be honest. Don't take cop-outs like "i dunno" or "bcuz". You have to put in effort. It's just like a gym, if you go to Planet Fitness and just jerk off into your towel for an hour every other day you're just going to be a coomer. Funny thing is if you just masturbate your mind in therapy the same thing happens, you'll end up a coomer. Do the work. "Ok smartass, what work is that?" Gee, I wonder, hmmm maybe there's some highly paid and educated professional you could ask, if only you had one in your life, HMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

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I originally started therapy to deal with PTSD. I was having horrible flashback nightmares every night and was sick of it. I worked through the PTSD with EMDR therapy which helps your brain reprocess the traumatic event in a healthier way. I was hesitant at first but was really surprised by the outcome. The nightmares stopped and now when the traumatic event crosses my mind Im not stressed out or angry about it. I still see my therapist just for someone to vent to about stuff. It’s better than always dumping that on friends or family :)

Trying to keep this eli5 (though it may be more like eli10):

The point of therapy is to work with someone called a therapist to learn (healthy) ways to identify and change negative thought and behavior patterns that make you feel bad or get in the way of your goals. A therapist is like a teacher or a coach who will use conversation, exercises, and homework to help you practice and learn these new skills.

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Not eli5: I am a clinical psychologist who does mostly time-limited cognitive and behavioral therapy, which focuses on maladaptive thought and behavior patterns as maintaining factors of a problem and, thus, as proximal mechanisms of change. Regardless of therapeutic orientation, goals in therapy are aimed at improving quality of life, particularly emotional (eg alleviating distress) or functional, occupational, or social (eg reducing impairment) etc. There should always be a goal that you set no matter what type of therapy you do; different therapeutic orientations simply posit different ways of getting there (ie different mechanisms of change)… some with more or less evidence behind their effectiveness depending on the goal one is trying to achieve / problem one is trying to address.

If someone is not sure what they’re working on in therapy, the goal might be poorly defined or (and I’m not saying this is your case) it may be an indicator the person is not in need of therapy (not everyone is). Your therapist should help you identify and nail down your goal (using SMART goals can be helpful here). They should also be able to tell you exactly what type of therapy they’re doing and the rationale for how that will help you achieve that goal. If they can’t, I would be just as skeptical as if my pcp gave me some medicine but couldn’t tell me what my diagnosis was (eg strep throat), what they’re prescribing for it (eg an antibiotic called penicillin), and why that should work (eg antibiotics mess up vital processes in bacteria —> which kills them or stops them from spreading —> and helps my immune system fight off the infection). Edited to add: much like antibiotics, also consider recommended duration and frequency of treatment and how that aligns with your expectations when trying to determine whether you see any benefit.

It works by encouraging you to think about things you haven't put together properly in your mind. Talking is thinking out loud, so someone encouraging you to talk about issues that are causing you pain makes you articulate and investigate and connect them in ways you may have avoided before.

It depends what you're trying to sort out.

Therapy can help you learn how your mind works. What triggers you and why. It can give you better visibility of unhealthy thoughts or feelings and the reasons for them.

It can also teach you techniques to handle those thoughts and feelings.

However it's not suitable for everything or everyone.

Simplified: A good (fitting) therapist will help you by providing a structure. This might include a way of thinking about stuff by talking, writing, painting, meditating, how really doesn’t matter that much.

The goal is to help you work through something that is hard to work through on your own. So, you are powering the process, but the therapist guides you into specific directions. They can’t make you do anything, just guide you.

You are like multiple horses pulling a carriage in different directions. Some people can solve this problem by themselves (mostly with the informal help of friends), others need a therapist to help guide all horses back into the same direction.

You might get a partial answer out of the recent Jonah Hill doc on Netflix called Stutz. Not all therapy is like this, being very practical and tangible. But some is and it's one way to answer your query.

Depending on the family we grow up in, we'll learn a language. My family spoke English so I speak English. I don't speak Hindi, Swahili or French... but many people do.

If I wanted to learn to speak French, I'd be best to find someone who speaks French. More than that, I'd be best to find someone who speaks it slowly and clearly, someone who cares about my progression, and gives me time to stumble over my words and find it difficult sometimes. In other words, trying to learn French from the angry drunk guy on the bus might not be ideal.

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When we grow up in a family we also learn certain thought patterns, certain ways of communicating, expressing emotions, responding to emotions and so forth. They're as normal to us as speaking English is to me.

Unfortunately, we might be a bit specialised in our skills. Maybe our family were total assholes and so the skills we learned to survive with our family of assholes don't actually help us in real life.

Maybe your mum screamed at you, belittled you, and blamed you for anything that went wrong. Well that's like learning Hindi in an English speaking country. When you go out to work in the real world, you might find you're limited in how you can connect to people.

So you go to therapy to learn to love, be kind, to forgive, accept, talk nicely to yourself and to other people. You might even learn to feel and accept your own emotions instead of feeling guilty for them.

And you learn them because, if the therapist is any good, they will speak to you in a loving, caring, accepting manner... and so from them you will learn how to be that way yourself.

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So you maybe didn't really need 14 different therapists. That's like thinking you needed 14 different plumbers to fix the leaky sink. If you're willing to get in there and experience the experience they have to give you, maybe you'll get what you need.

The problem, of course, is that if the first language you learned is one of judgement and distrust, then you're going to judge and distrust all the therapists... and so you won't give them a chance to get you better.

Maybe your parents never gave you a chance... so you won't give the therapists a chance either.

Maybe your parents commanded you what to do and were very controlling... so you'll find it weird when the therapist doesn't give you specific instructions but instead trusts you to find your own solutions.

Maybe your parents told you you're incompetent... and so you think the therapists are incompetent for not noticing how incompetent you are, and instead they believe in your ability to heal.

Maybe you're desperate for a therapist to "fix" you... because your parents convinced you you're broken. But maybe the therapists are all communicating that you're just fine and that frustrates and annoys you.

The point here is that it's entirely possible that the things that stop the therapy succeeding are exactly the things you need the therapy for.

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Best of luck. It can be very difficult.

If you've had 14 therapists, surely you have some idea of what you want from a therapist?

Personally, I think therapy is something that most people simply won't get much out of. I think that's a reasonable position to take. But if that's how you feel, then why spend money on therapists?

Mental therapy is like talking to a special helper about your feelings and problems. This helper can help you feel better and fix any bad thoughts or behaviors you have.

Therapy works by helping you recognize your unhealthy patterns of thought/behaviour and teaching you how to change them to improve your mental health. You do most of the work - the therapist just guides you and shares their professional knowledge when applicable. At the end of the day, the therapist doesn't even really need to "get you" all that much; I've been able to benefit from sessions even with therapists I didn't connect with well. Gain insight, use it to make changes, live better.

I suppose it depends on why you are in therapy. If you have suffered from trauma, they are supposed to help your recovery. Sometimes “recovery” means accepting a new “normal”.

If you are in therapy because it is court mandated, or someone else is insisting that you go and you “don’t see the point” then the point is that you are going because you have no choice, or it is easier than saying no.

I had 4 REHAs and tens of hours of group therapy and had several quite different therapists during that time. Each one highlighted a different facet of the same problem, and ONE said a particular sentence at the end that made all these fragments collapse into one big picture. But none of this would have happened without my own cooperation. Therapy is work on and for oneself. Apparently there are always people who can't or won't see or understand that. IF you go to therapy, then the therapist can only help you to help yourself. No therapist will print out a manual for you. YOU have to write this manual yourself. The therapist can help you do that and talk you through other ideas and perspectives. But YOU MUST go there and WANT to get involved. Edit: And the therapist helps you to work out a set of tools (new behaviours, coping strategies, survival mechanics) which you can and need to build into your life to change and/or avoid those things which make you ill.

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I went to many therapists as well and I later found that their whole profession is BS. Something I learned to get myself out of depression. Depression itself isn’t real unless you decide to make it real. When you do things like feel sorry for yourself all you’re doing is preventing yourself from recovery. It’s just like ghosts. Some people believe in them and some don’t.

The question confused me. Reading the answers, I think OP means a psychologist, right?

Is that an American thing, to equate therapist with mental health? I think of somebody you see after an injury, like a "physio" or OT - occupational therapist.

From personal experience, ive had to flop around a few therapists before I found the right one. I realised I was going to therapists for specific reasons rather than general improvement.

I now go to someone who manages to facilitate my journey to self exploration. This person practices Gestalt which seems to be what I need right now.

I would say the point of therapy is that the therapists present new ways of thinking, mostly when youve been stuck in the rabbit hole of thinking the same things all the time. Its very important to understand though that you need to work hand in hand with the therapist and that they will simply increase awareness and perception without necessarily coming to the solutions ti your problems. They might sometimes, but you still need to do a lot of the work.

Goodluck on your Journey!

You have an objective of physical fitness? You find a trainer or training program that helps you achieve that.

You don't have any objective and try different trainers/programs? Either you some day click on one of them, or you don't stick for long.

Do you have an objective for mental health?

Usually mental fitness/health is harder because you need to work first by yourself, external help only helps when you have predisposition to get to your objective.

When you don't have that predisposition, they can try to help you get it, but in the last instance it's all up to you: do you want to make the effort to get closer to your objective, even if you only advance 0.1%?

A therapist is there to help you help yourself.

1. Help you identify the problem and, if that problem seems too big and intimidating, help you see that it's a problem that can be solved.
2. Help you come up with a coping strategy or finding a path healthier state of mind.

A big hurdle for therapy is that you have to genuinely want to change.

I think too many people think a therapist is there to fix your problems and tell you what you need to do.

IMHO a therapist is only there to help you to explore your own thoughts and actions so that you, yourself, can figure out the best path through your problems.

I agree that a person needs to feel comfortable with a therapist, because sorting out problems could be personal and/or emotional, so the right fit is good. On the other hand, cycling through many therapists could also indicate that the goal sought is one of answers and not exploration.

Therapy doesn't work if YOU don't WANT things to change yourself as well. Therapy ideally guides you to the changes you have to apply yourself.

Also you have to find a therapist that "clicks" with you and fits. Not every therapist works for every patient. And there are good and bad therapists out there, too. Depends on their education, experience, personal qualification etc.

I do my own therapy. Talk to myself, force myself to face the problem and overcome it by talking over and over.

And that is how I overcome my PTSD. by overcoming it, I also overcome my anxiety and panic attack in the process.

So the point of therapy is to know what the fuck is wrong with you, forcing you to look upon it and fix so you become normal again. It just that simple

Not all therapists suit all patients and some times finding the right one is a difficult process. If we oversimplify things the basic thing they do is change your perspective. A lot of our emotional or mental problems may stem from our environment but many times we get ourselves into a mental loop that keeps us there. Ultimately nobody can "fix" someone else, everyone has to do that for themselves, but the job of the therapist is to help guide someone through this process and provide a different perspective, without just talking out of their ass, which any friend or family member can do.

The first and most important part is knowing what you're there for. "Wanting to feel better" is not enough, you have to have goals in mind. Some times if the source of the problem is unclear they can help you find what it is but a mistake many people make is expect too much from them without giving any feedback to them. It's a cooperative process, they can't just lecture you and make you feel better. A common problem is that a lot of people think they're "doing their part" by going to therapy, but other than going to therapy and venting they're not actually doing anything different in the rest of their time and lives. Going to therapy means being willing to try stuff out, making an effort, even if it doesn't always work the first time.

But when it works it can help you get yourself unstuck. It changes your perspective on yourself and your surroundings, helps you negotiate relationships with others better and help you deal with future issues better.

I had a few therapy sessions as a result of work burnout. It was just techniques for breathing, relaxing and dealing with stress. And it worked for me…no digging into my childhood trying to uncover trauma or any of that. I was quite impressed by how much things have changed in recent decades.

Therapy is about self awareness. Many people get stuck in cycles of behavior and thought that are destructive and they don’t even realize what they are doing. Therapy is process of discussion and exploration that helps people become aware of how they think and why they behave the way they do. Once they are aware they can work on changing their thinking/behavior/habits in ways that support their goals, whatever those might be.

If you are going through a lot of therapists maybe you need to think about what you are hoping to accomplish. You decide the point of therapy.

Therapist here. Ask your therapist what his views are on the problem and what is the course of action before starting therapy. Of course not everybody adheres to a structured treatment, but every therapy needs objectives, and the patient must participate in formulating said objectives.

Research shows that patient-therapist's level of agreement and mutual understanding on "what is the issue" and "how do we tackle it" is more closely linked to treatment response than whatever theoretical framework and technique the therapist adheres to.

Bottom line is, when the client understands what is going on, he's more likely to change it through therapy.

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There are different types of therapy.

Cognitiive behavioural - identify how the ways in which you think drive your emotions and learn to question your thoughts

Psychotherapy (often mixed with some cognitive behavioural nowadays) - identify why you think the way you do before learning to question your thoughts (this is useful for people who find it difficult to question their thoughts or who blame themselves for having the thoughts in the first place, or who know the thoughts are irrational but believe them anyway - it puts the thoughts into context so that when you're inundated with self criticism you can't shake you can use self-compassion - "of course I feel bad with all this criticism going on in my head, and of course I can't help being so self-critical when I was brought up in an environment where I was constantly criticised - this isn't nice for me at all, I'm going to choose to be extra kind to myself to help get me through it")

Mindfulness-based - Creating distance between yours and your thoughts and emotions so you can recognise they are transitory and not get 'stuck' in them, fueling the fire, making it easier to let go of what's happening in your mind

Group therapy - For people who experience problems in their relationships with others. Usually a long-term therapy that allows people to gain first-hand experience of other people (who aren't being paid...) accepting them for who they are, caring about their welfare, being trustworthy and non-abusive etc. so that the patient can learn over time that not everyone will abuse them/criticse them/judge them/neglect them etc. with the hope they're then able to trust people more outside of the therapy room. In individual therapy, it's easy to tell yourself that the therapist is kind because that's their job. In group therapy, the other patients don't have to be kind, they can just choose to be. It's also good for teaching people to face conflict. Facilitated by the group leader, patients are encouraged to be more honest and open about their feelings and thoughts so they can navigate conflict and learn that it is safe, therefore hopefully feeling safer to face conflict IRL.

Normally, therapy is a mix of all the above things. But the goal is for the person to recognise how their internal processes are fuelling their unhappiness (through no fault of their own) and make changes to the way they internally process life so they can experience more positives.

Source: Patient who has had all the above 'types' of therapy in various guises and has found it helpful.

I can say it helped me tremendously after like 3 sessions. I’m paraphrasing here but My therapist asked what was causing me grief and anxiety and I said my mom, she’s always talking about her money problems and always has even as I was a kid which is I think is the root my anxiety of going broke and is always so negative about everything. And that’s just not me, I can’t stand it.

My therapist said to me, you can set boundaries, you don’t have to spend time with people who make your feel this way, family included. You can sell the rental houses you own, which one my mom lived in for 400 bucks a month if they cause you to worry. He said, you deserve to be happy too.

It was incredibly eye opening

It really was an eye opener.

The major point is having someone to talk to that has no relation with you.

It's not a friend, it's not family, it's not coworker, it's not a spouse.

You can say what you want.

In that context, it helps you find paths to getting "better".

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It helps me as a sanity check. In the sense that "I feel this way about some stuff, is that reasonable, and what can I do about it" since in general my mental health is good.

When you are physically ill, you are a doctor. When you are mentally ill, you see a therapist.

The definition of "I'll", in the latter case, isn't always as obvious or apparent, though.

My experience with therapy was them telling me that I need to do something with my life, me agreeing and then doing nothing about it. Like cool, I need to stop eating my depression away, but I'm too tired to do it man. Not even mentioning that you can't be too honest with them or you will be banished to grippy socks jail

You’re basically paying someone to say exactly what you told them, right back to you.

This is all in hopes so that you, who is ignorant/stupid/crazy, will one day actually listen to yourself

Maybe you don’t need therapy..? I am not sure how old you are, but a lot of younger people these days all seem to think they are traumatized, have mental issues, neurodivergent etc. while it’s mostly just things they read about on the internet. They try to fit in because it probably sounds interesting to them and everyone seems to rave on about it. Kinda like the trends and subcultures we had back in the day.