TrypMole t1_itp0kd4 wrote on October 25, 2022 at 7:03 AM

Reply to comment by onioning in [i ate] Pizza Margherita and pizza nudja by succulentchr69

Yes. You're being unreasonable because you're assuming America has a greater influence on European cuisine than other European countries, which is crazy. We are literally right next door to each other and you are several timezones away on a different continent. What do you really think is more likely that European cuisine spread to its neighbours or that we just don't try anything our neighbours eat until America tells us to? That's like me saying "wow, they must have KC BBQ in New York now cause its popular in Britain "

Added to which I've been visiting Calabria for about 20 years and I've only seen a notable amount of Americans there since Covid, before that very few if any. Northern Italians though? Yeah, LOADS of them, it's where they go on holiday.

onioning t1_itqumii wrote on October 25, 2022 at 5:10 PM

>Yes. You're being unreasonable because you're assuming America has a greater influence on European cuisine than other European countries, which is crazy.

Nope. I did not assume that. I've even explicitly stated otherwise by pointing out that there is British cultural imperialism too. Not as powerful as the American (now) because it's about wealth and America has the most wealth. Worth noting at one time in history is was the Italians who were the dominant global power and hence the cultural imperialists. But in 2022 it's the US.

I have also talked about other ways that food culture has bounced around. In no way whatsoever have I suggested that the US is the only nation that impacts others. You are making that up.

Again, this isn't some blind "this was popular here so it must be popular there because of here." The timing is the point. It would be a stupid crazy coincidence if Nduja just happened to get popular throughout Italy just after it got popular in the US. A coincidence is not a reasonable conclusion. Regardless, the circumstance at minimum make my conclusion plausible.

There's also a ton of history of this happening. The organization Slow Food literally exists to oppose American cultural imperialism. But folks here think it doesn't exist? Come on.