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LiCHtsLiCH t1_ix3aytj wrote

Corruption? Man that's not a nice thing to say. Listen I'm not saying this is even a decent rollout, it's Quatar, and without oil money, is a very different place, like the rest of the Middle East, but people willing to work for more money isn't corruption. All selection processes take into account many factors, and on this scale, they are not picking a name at random out of a hat. Just saying, calling this corrupt instead of getting paid I think is an insult... and I dont even like soccer, or Quatar very much, however I do support decisions that generate exchanges that are beneficial for the parties involved. I mean if you were expecting it to be random names drawn from a lotto, then it "could" be in London every time, and not corruption.

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daveclampart OP t1_ix3bfz7 wrote

All the reports, arrests, and anecdotes point towards corruption. For this WC, and stretching back decades. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, it's just common knowledge at this point. Watch the John Oliver segment on FIFA if you want somewhere to start

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LiCHtsLiCH t1_ix3glmc wrote

Dunno maybe I have a different idea of corruption. The reason there IS a WC, is because of money, I was fairly certain most people understood this. They do this, to make money, get paid, and to me that isn't corruption. They dont do it for fun, they don't do it to highlite human social issues, political reform, or to set an example of a perfectly random system. Just my quick take, to suggest it's corrupt is as silly as saying they should do it for free.

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cramr t1_ix3pcgz wrote

Is corruption when you pay money under the table to FIFA executive to vote for you even though you are the worse candidate (US and UK were clearly favourites). That’s FIFA’s fault, Qatar did anything to win and fifa let them. This World cup is like hosting a winter olimpics in Thailand. No history or tradition of the sport and no climate to play it.

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LiCHtsLiCH t1_ix49bit wrote

I think you need to look at the definition of "under the table", there is no table, there is no over or under, or disclosed. I think you are just dense, intentionally, to harp about people making money off of you.

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LojikDub t1_ix41r5j wrote

I think you need to look up the definition of corruption, and then read the history of how Qatar came to be awarded the world cup. Then you can come back and see how ridiculous your comment is.

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LiCHtsLiCH t1_ix492ug wrote

I think you need to look at the definition of "under the table".

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AdventureBum t1_ix41zla wrote

Fuck FIFA and the WC. How's that for an insult?

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LiCHtsLiCH t1_ix48zso wrote

Not an insult to me, I really dont give an F.

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AdventureBum t1_ix4bqg5 wrote

The why go off on how it’s “not nice” to call corruption corruption?

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LiCHtsLiCH t1_ix4evre wrote

I don't think it's corruption. I thought I made that clear enough. Listen we ALL know what is going on, from LIV to this. These people, organizations, institutions, clubs and individuals, do what they do... for money, same as anybody. That isn't corruption in my book. I think of it like this, you have two burgers to make, same burger, same toppings, whatever, identical. One pays YOU $2, the other pays YOU $40, which do you chose to make? Did you read my original (now extremely downvoted) post?

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AdventureBum t1_ix4qlh1 wrote

The definition of corruption is doing the wrong thing for money. You’re purposely glossing over the fact that Qatar should not have been given the bid were it not for bribery. The only way your analogy works is if the $40 burger was made with slave labor and thousands of people died in the process.

Just because something is done for money doesn’t mean it’s ok. By your definition corruption wouldn’t exist in any circumstance.

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LiCHtsLiCH t1_ix98ob5 wrote

Corruption does exist, I wasn't trying to say it doesn't. I was just saying I don't think this is it. People are upset at golfers for this same thing. However, they are also making 5 years winnings in months, do you think they did it for the money? Or to make a stand for corruption, human rights violations, media profiles, product placement? Ukranians are dropping grenades on sleeping people everyday, thats cool, but, hire somebody to build a building for 60x the wage they could earn at home, that's evil. C'mon.

At some point in time you are gonna have to make sense.

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