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piratensendr t1_j6v3kf8 wrote

"Will anyone but me care?"

No one cares.


Citizen-Kang t1_j6vbek7 wrote

I care. It was the only reason I was going to upgrade from my S22 Ultra. If they included the satellite SOS, it means I might be able to cancel my Garmin InReach $39.99 per month plan. The phone would pay for itself in 2 years.


dynamojess t1_j6vdcgc wrote

A Smartphone is not going to last a long as an Inreach. That doesn't sound like a smart alternative.


welchplug t1_j6wahtf wrote

Samsung actually has a fantastic ultra power saving mode that turns it into essentially a Nokia. battery for days.


CluelessNuggetOfGold t1_j6wi6il wrote

It really does keep your phone alive for days. When I had an S20 I tested it out. Ultra power saving, barely touching my phone at all. Lasted 6 days


TheQuarantinian t1_j6yr0td wrote

And they just figured out that if they use a different tape inside the battery (over simplified) they can cut battery drain dramatically


Spin16 t1_j6yyhdc wrote

But isn't that only for powered off devices?


TheQuarantinian t1_j6z38xg wrote

Probably not. The electrochemical reaction exists if the phone is on or off, so you will probably see some savings even when using it, it just won't be as obvious


zolikk t1_j6wsm7c wrote

Still it looks like it could be much better. Old phones could last for 2 weeks if not more, in stand by (not turned off - they could receive calls). And they had a much smaller battery and theoretically much less efficient electronics. Seems like the new version is still doing a lot of things in the background. If you wanted to make a true low power stand-by mode for a smartphone it should be lasting weeks, not days. Of course, at least for most phones, you still have the option to just turn it off.


crimsonnocturne t1_j6x7wur wrote

Because old phones were glorified calculators with one or two radios in them, not 8 core computers with 7 inch 4k screens and 20 different sensors and GPS and multiple high powered internet radios in them.


zolikk t1_j6x9jii wrote

You didn't understand what I said.

What I said is that you could have a power saver state in a modern phone that disables all those sensors, put the processor in a low power state (which is much, much better than those in any old processors), you aren't using your screen because the phone is just standing by not doing anything, and in such a state it should last much longer than an old phone because it would have lower power consumption and a larger battery.

Obviously it's not going to last long if you're using all those features, but it should be able to last long if you aren't. The reason why it doesn't is because even the ultra power saver setting on the phone still leaves things working in the background. Why not have a hyper-super-ultra power saver setting as well that disables them too?


bnonymousbeeeee t1_j6zfvv7 wrote

My Galaxy S5 Active, in Ultra Power Save mode would last 12 days according to it's in phone estimate. I was never able to push it in that mode the whole way through, but 2 days sipped about 10 percent of my battery when I tried, so I fully believe it was possible on that device. It downclocked the processor, turned basically everything off, like you said, and even lowered the display resolution and color to greyscale. I don't think I've seen a later phone than that with such a huge Ultra Power Saver.


Oddity_Odyssey t1_j6wuubn wrote

My iphone does that without changing a setting. You just charge it and if you barely touch it it will last several days.


DepartmentOk1054 t1_j6x7hwm wrote

Not sure why the downvotes, but you are correct. I had the iPhone 13 Pro Max, that thing lasted days before I had to recharge. On my S22U Ultra. I have to recharge it everyday.


Oddity_Odyssey t1_j6x9p5n wrote

My regular 12 will still get me two days and it's on 90% battery health. And like I hate iphones. I only got this one when Google fucked up the pixels. But I mean you can't deny the power of iOS


DrZoidberg- t1_j6xhkpf wrote

It's mostly because of notifications. I honestly think Google's code for handling notifications is not efficient.

Just turn off all the notifications and turn on battery saver mode to medium (CPU runs at 70%).

My phone still lasts 3 days of on/off usage. It's a year old.


CptHammer_ t1_j6zwhvs wrote

Also manual sync for calendar and email. I don't have a Samsung but my old LG used to have a sync when charging option that I wish I had that on my Motorola.

Otherwise it would sync if I opened the app.


seanrm92 t1_j6wsvxu wrote

Not even ultra power saving, but just the regular power saving mode is great too. I keep my S22 Ultra on that literally all the time, and it often lasts more than a full day of regular use, longer than my old phone. The baseline performance is so great that you never notice that it's been throttled.


ticcedtac t1_j6y496w wrote

Do they still? I think that was replaced by Emergency Mode and my S22 Plus lost it when I updated to oneui 5 and there doesn't seem to be anything equivalent anymore :(


FrostyMittenJob t1_j6yuv3r wrote

Right but only helps you if you were at 100% and turned it on before you started out on whatever you are doing that would warrant an emergency satellite phone. In reality, you drove out to where ever, used the phone for directions, and now the phone is down to about 60% by the time you start. Being out in the hot/cold kills your battery while it constantly tries to find service. And before you know it your battery is at 10%. A garmin inreach in its most battery-heavy mode and conditions will last for 2 full days. If you are going for full battery saver mode it can be ready to use for a full year.


welchplug t1_j704b21 wrote

My phone is currently at 70 percent and battery is in good health. Estimated time was 2 and half days......ND have the s10. The batteries have gotten bigger on newer gens


FrostyMittenJob t1_j704kyx wrote

So you just got back from a 8 hour hike without cell coverage and used your phone to navigate to and from home and are still at 70%?


welchplug t1_j70543i wrote

Well usually when I am on hike I don't touch my phone. Why the hell would be on my phone? In addition my phone is always on normal power saver mode. After a work (about 12 hours) my phone is usually around 60 percent and that's with listening to music all day.


FrostyMittenJob t1_j707q23 wrote

Right and that's great in a climate controlled environment with wifi or strong cell signal. It's an entirely different beast when you are out, it's over 85, and your phone is constantly trying to find a signal. It ultimately doesn't matter if you are using your phone or not. If it's on the battery is being nuked. This isn't just some random opinion, this is how battery powered electronics simply work in the extreme heat and cold


welchplug t1_j70e9tx wrote

I go snowboarding on mountain tops all the time. I keep my phone in my pocket. Its not sitting in the snow lol. Yiu are just trying to justify your purchase lol.


FrostyMittenJob t1_j70l6ze wrote

I don't own an inreach. Obviously your phone isn't sitting in the snow but the air, crazy as it may seem, is cold too.

Here are a few articles to help you out


welchplug t1_j70v8qc wrote

I have practical first hand experience in sub zero temperatures on a mountain. My pocket is good enough lol. Unless I bury the the thing I'm good lol.


Zev0s t1_j70bdjd wrote

I realize is this r/gadgets, but there is actually the option of just turning off your fucking phone when you don't need it


FrostyMittenJob t1_j70ctg2 wrote

If you are buying your cellphone because it has a feature that you are going to rely on in a life or death situation you don't want the usability of that contingent on whether or not you remember to turn off your phone


welchplug t1_j70vcf0 wrote

Btw I don't work in climate controlled environment. I own a bakery. It's regularly 90+


FrostyMittenJob t1_j71oee5 wrote

Then congratulations you've managed to beat the laws of thermodynamics! Sell your secret and make billions


welchplug t1_j72d69s wrote

It's amazing how phones still operate in southeren California or or Arizona ammirite?


FrostyMittenJob t1_j72e6jm wrote

Of course they still work, but being exposed to high heat leads to faster degradation and quickly drain your battery. This isn't my opinion this is a well documented phenomenon.


welchplug t1_j72hnj8 wrote

Yeah marginally and not enough to be really noticeable. Again 12 hr days of being in the bakery with 60 to 70 percent charge at the end. The battery doesnt instant drain just because its a little hot. Anyways good day!


needlesfox OP t1_j6vdljv wrote

Depends on what you're using it for.


geniuscube t1_j6wo106 wrote

Yup, I have a road I drive frequently with a dangerous 20 minute stretch that has absolutely no cell signal on account of the terrain. Having SOS via satellite on my phone is huge for that stretch.


HerefortheTuna t1_j75eda0 wrote

Yes but you are already paying for a smartphone and an extra $40 a month is a lot


dynamojess t1_j75hazb wrote

$40/month vs your life during a backpacking/deep wilderness emergency

I'm not sure what else people seriously use an Inreach for.


HerefortheTuna t1_j75hg3c wrote

I’ve thought about for over landing since my car is a 1990 that barely starts some days in the city… but I can’t justify the cost. If they bring back the mini for the iPhone 15 and it has satellite I may upgrade from my 13

Edit: I use my phone all day everyday and go off-roading maybe a dozen times a year


Gaeus_ t1_j744fcb wrote

While that's true, I definitely pack an external battery when doing any sort of travelling, it probably isn't as good as an Inreach, but it does tip the scales toward Apple/Samsung.


MorRobots t1_j6wmk8k wrote

If you have need of such specific safety equipment, do not rely on a general consumer device, particularly one as fragile as an iPhone.


NomadicJellyfish t1_j6yoems wrote

Millions of people in the US hike and camp in areas without cell service every year. Saying they should all pay hundreds of dollars a year for an inreach is ridiculous. They take cellphones with them anyway and somehow manage to not break them.


FrostyMittenJob t1_j6yv96t wrote

No one is saying that everyone who hikes needs an inreach. But if someone has already decided that what they are doing requires them to have an inreach and they now own that inreach they shouldn't use an iPhone as a substitute.


chickenlittle53 t1_j72m8as wrote

First of all, it isn't even hundreds of dollars a year dude. Learn to look stuff up before commenting. Second, Apple will charge for the service and it will end up costing you a shit ton more to buy a close to $1000 phone in many scenarios on top of eventually having to pay around the exact same amount for Apple's subscription service.

You seem to think apple is forever free for this? My lord, be careful criticizing apple folks. Fanboys in full swing right now. Hate to break it to folks, but apple did nothing new technologically. People have been doing thus stuff for years. It's not even worth buying a new phone for tons of folks. Tons more won't even likely use at all. Them are the actual brakes. Calm the fanboyism down a notch It's okay.


TheQuarantinian t1_j6ysk4f wrote

>Millions of people in the US hike and camp in areas without cell service every year.

Many of whom shouldn't.

When things like the SPOT came out a bunch of people who had no business being in the back country went to the back country with the attitude of "and if I get into trouble I can press this 911 button". Then started pressing the button to order hot chocolate, because their trail guide was snoring, or because they started a six hour hike at 3pm in shorts and without water and then realized that they were smrt enough to have the insta 911 button.

> Saying they should all pay hundreds of dollars a year for an inreach is ridiculous.

PLBs require no subscription.


PHin1525 t1_j6wt3c6 wrote

What I was thinking. Really how often in an urban area will you need satellite sos service.


Shygar t1_j6z2do6 wrote

Same, I'd love the option to use my phone directly instead of Garmin


chickenlittle53 t1_j72ksxe wrote

The majority of the population probably won't care at all. That said, apparently they have an app already you can use your phone for anyhow.

I just don't think most of the population cares enough to use satellite (that you have to pay extra for either typically anyhow) with how infrequent they would likely need to use it overall. I personally wouldn't play for a whole new phone for it and I actually hike and shit. I just don't do wild shit aline amdet folks know ahead of time.

Edit: Plus, if I have to pay anyway, Garmin is likely much better of a piece of equipment to use anyhow than iPhone. I'll end up with much better service with a better device meant for it.


Shygar t1_j72l37t wrote

Yes there's an app to use it, but still it's a pain to have to carry multiple devices.

It would be good for people on road trips


chickenlittle53 t1_j72pcm6 wrote

Not really. If your goal is saving your life wearing a watch on your wrist weighing next to nothing isn't a big deal. In fact, tons of devices weigh next to nothing and can easily just be in a bag. If the purpose is to actually save your life using better equipment trumps whatever you think isn't "worth it" if you value your life above all. Also saves folks a shit ton of money in the process.


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Citizen-Kang t1_j7engli wrote

There probably will, but it might be free for a couple years to compete with Apple. I can't imagine the service will cost more than InReach, though. If it is, there is no real incentive to switch over for those of us already using that service.


46692 t1_j6yb0ti wrote


If I’m going out on a dangerous expedition, I’ll bring a beacon. Something designed to be reliable at one single thing of sending out SOS.

I don’t trust my phone to work, or not break, or contact the right people if I’m actually worried about a deathly trip to the wilderness.


Daryltang t1_j6wti33 wrote

You will care if you suddenly need it in an emergency


shorty6049 t1_j6xva8a wrote

So while I agree with you, the iPhone is also the first consumer phone in history to include it, right? Like, we all just went out into the woods without satellite phones in the past and took that risk. It'd definitely be a nice feature to know you had in your pocket just in case, but at the same time I'm not seeing it as a deal breaker until there's mass adoption of something like that.


ItIsShrek t1_j6xyf1p wrote

The hardware in the iPhone and features are literally just Globalstar's SPOT tracker with an Apple UI. The Spots start at like $150 and have monthly service starting at $17/month, much more attainable than a satellite phone and are relatively common with a more casual market of hikers, backpackers, etc. It's only good for calling emergency services and sending "I'm OK" and location check-in messages to loved ones, the InReach and similar products that attach to phones to give them satellite capabilities are a better comparison to emergency SOS via satellite, than a full-on satellite phone with full voice calls is.


lucellent t1_j6wn2cu wrote

The few people who actually used Apple's emergency SOS care. It saved their life.

But if you never leave your house then I can see why you wouldn't care.


Skensis t1_j6xmfem wrote

Scary to think we use to live in an age without Apples emergency SOS.

I use to go outside in fear to just grab the paper, the peace of mind I get with my new iPhone has changed my life.


nandorkrisztian t1_j719o6u wrote

Just imagine the horror people without iPhones have to live with.


MamaMeRobeUnCastillo t1_j6x6xrh wrote

Its not like samsung/android phones doesn't have emergency sos care. Just not via satellite, which most people doesn't need.


piratensendr t1_j6xek8z wrote

Eh sure, i can go hiking 30mins from my house, with good reception


Jmich96 t1_j6v9gz7 wrote

It's a unique feature that serves a very niche purpose, with potential to save lives.

I know we (yes, myself included) like to hate Apple, but Samsung is no saint company either. Apple has the added benefit that the entirety of their user base is using a set iPhone _. Android has thousands of phones, across various manufacturers. Samsung is one of the largest in the US, but the effort to add such a feature would likely not yield enough prais (and thus profit) to benefit share holders. And we all know that satisfying shareholders and bigger CEO bonuses are all these companies strive for today.


Malice_n_Flames t1_j6w526w wrote

An established English actor went missing just outside LA about 2 weeks ago. He was hiking in Angeles National Forest. Snowy and dangerous. If he had this feature on his phone (and knew how to use it) he would have been found by now. Instead it looks like he is dead. Just got lost on a hike less than an hour from Downtown LA.


Zestyclose_Pickle511 t1_j6wa8gq wrote

Uh... Why didn't he just call someone then? Why not use cell triangulation? Why would the iPhone save him more than any other phone? The SOS has to be activated, right?

Are you proposing that there is no service there? 1 hr from LA?


mofa90277 t1_j6x9t6a wrote

He (Julian Sands) is lost on Mt Baldy. Mountains have crags and gullies and crevices. Radio signals operate line-of-sight, so they’re built where they’ll cover as much (but not all) area as possible.

Apple’s satellite feature uses a constellation of satellites, which orbit the earth and create a mesh pattern, giving essentially 100% coverage.


drunkendrake t1_j6y2ygb wrote

They are giving it for free for two years, after that you'll have to subscribe to it. Realistically, who will subscribe to it?


needlesfox OP t1_j6ygbti wrote

I also wonder if Apple will keep doing that. Like if you go from an iPhone 14 to an iPhone 16, are you going to get another two years free?


Jake0024 t1_j6z191n wrote

Most people don't keep phones longer than that.


apathyduck t1_j6yg5qj wrote

It is not "essentially 100% coverage" - far from it.


Jake0024 t1_j6z16pt wrote

Then he shouldn't be hiding in a cave while trying to make phone calls. Satellite SOS probably wouldn't work in there either. If he's dead and can't get out of the cave, neither feature is useful.


joremero t1_j6zjlxw wrote

>Radio signals operate line-of-sight


did you learn that in facebook university?


mofa90277 t1_j7013oo wrote

Physics degree, Caltech, then over thirty years designing airborne radars, including five years designing satellite radar & satellite communications networks (i.e., X- and Ku bands). At those wavelengths, signals transmitted by your phone (a critical part of all this) are not going more than 10-20-ish centimeters deep in the best conditions. So, from the perspective of mountains, RF signals are “line of sight” in that mountains are opaque to RF signals.

This is different from wireless signals getting through house or apartment walls, because they’re basically made of air. (And signals are aided by reflections from a myriad other surfaces around typical homes).


joremero t1_j725hlf wrote

I see, so it was an oversimplification.


freakasaurous t1_j7650gv wrote

Line of Sight propagation is an actual concept. No simplification of anything


Twombls t1_j6x5bep wrote

The Angeles national forest is in the mountains and the mountains tend to block cell service. LA is actually really interesting because its basically city. And then wilderness immediately next to it. Go over the first mountain ridge and into federally protected nature reserve and there will be no towers on the other side.

Keep in mind this isn't just like a tiny hiking area. Its a very large desolate mountain range

I live in a city in northern new england and an hour drive could easily bring me to some inhospitable wilderness with no cell service.


Zestyclose_Pickle511 t1_j6xklhl wrote

Yeah, I'm thinking a cell phone satellite Sos system isn't to blame, still. But thanks.


Rigruften t1_j6zdb45 wrote

When presented with facts as to why he couldn’t call help, your only rebuttal is “yeah well /I/ dont think so”?

In case you don’t live in the area, the West Coast has many large expanses of land that have zero cellular service. Emergency SOS via satellite (be it from an iPhone or any other device) is one of, if not the only, direct ways to call for help in a place like that.

Dude could’ve died without the chance to send an SOS, I’ll give you that… but it’s totally ignorant to ignore why it’s invaluable to people who need it.


mollypatola t1_j703ym5 wrote

I can’t help but lol at the “you’re saying there no cell service 1 hr from LA.” If they think that’s shocking then I guess Seattle will probably throw them for a loop 😅 easily no signal within even a half hour drive


Tsarinax t1_j6whqmx wrote

I’m not arguing this case since I know nothing about it, but you could easily lose signal an hour out of LA. You quickly get into desert like areas or into the hills and cell service gets spotty really quick. At least when I lived there it did, I’m sure it’s better but I could still see some blind spots especially in hills where folks go hiking.


MorRobots t1_j6wnu46 wrote

This is something I wish there were PSA's about:

When you have no Service, you likely may still be able to call 911.

911 calls rides on all carriers and is given priority by the towers regardless of the subscribers service provider. It also rides on all the cellphone standards as well.

The tower will actually drop subscribers to ensure the 911 call gets connected.


Twombls t1_j6x5ulk wrote

Its very possible there was just no service at all.


Zestyclose_Pickle511 t1_j6whvwd wrote

Yeah, I guess the landscape does change fairly rapidly there.


Twombls t1_j6x92ho wrote

Yeah something people dont realize is a lot of big cities on the American west are built right at the foot of huge mountain ranges. People tend to get themselves onto shit because there will be expanses of wilderness the size of a small European countries that are easily accessible from a trailhead in a realitivley suburban area.

It will be a warm summer day at the trailhead but once you pop over the first ridge it will be a blizzard. The place where the donner party happend. One of the snowiest places in the usa. Is like just over an hour from Sacramento


Jake0024 t1_j6z1i1w wrote

> just over an hour from Sacramento

Not by wagon


acroman39 t1_j708fv7 wrote

The SOS function activates automatically.


WingedGeek t1_j71niv6 wrote

I live on the west side of Los Angeles and none of the three carriers can get me more than 1 bar of degraded (e.g., LTE) service in my home or on the grounds. It's a fluke of topography (I only get a couple of FM stations and no OTA television). I'm ~3 minutes from the 10 and 405 freeways. It's very possible in the mountains there's no service, 1 hour from LA.


chickenlittle53 t1_j72o6cy wrote

This is nothing new and there are better devices for the actual price of subscription that yes apple will be charging folks and less reliable than these better options that a fraction of the cost if a phone withba shit to better reliability if you're worried about your actual life.

This just isn't some mind blowing deal. They are literally just using someone else's service that has existed for quite some time, but in a less reliable fashion. You can already use similar services like Garmin and use your phone for more in depth features.

I don't really care what phone you choose, but it's weird folks think this is some new technology that apple came up with. It's a okay nice to have if you're already getting a new iPhone, but is pretty silly to buy a new phone for in most cases when better more accurate and depth tech already exists that saves your life much more reliably and cheaper exists. Especially, with alternatives being more polished and tested.


Hmm_would_bang t1_j73e97f wrote

1 device > 2 devices in most instances.

If people were always prepared for everything the world would be a much better place. But they aren’t, and apple’s SOS feature will likely save lives


chickenlittle53 t1_j73sbwt wrote

1 device that is far superior in saving lives > less superior device.

When it comes to saving lives no one cares you brought some super lightweight device with you that won't effect you at all in movement or cause discomfort really. We just care about being able to save pur lives as effectively as possible. No such thong as being ready for everything, but having even better devices to prepare you makes it much more effective and can save even more lives.


Hmm_would_bang t1_j73sljk wrote

Let me phrase it a different way.

For the majority of people that are getting lost on a hike, how many of them do you think are well prepared? How many of them do you think have their cellphone on them?


chickenlittle53 t1_j756bej wrote

Let me also phrase it a different way, for those that are interested in any of this to begin with do you not think they wouldn't want the best chance of survival in caw of emergencies? If this matters to folks then they want the best and can make sense to then get the best instead. Simple really.


A2N2T t1_j6vqrai wrote

Why do people keep sharing the verge? terrible tech publication


compaqdeskpro t1_j6yj9al wrote

Because they regurgitate paid content (like WSJ) and apply their spin to it. If you can read between the lines and the trash headlines you may learn something.


one_hyun t1_j6vve31 wrote

Because people read it and actually discuss it.


A2N2T t1_j6vvrmk wrote

Really?! They can't even build a simple gaming PC.

That'd be like reading a vegetarian magazine written by Burger King.


needlesfox OP t1_j6vzs40 wrote

This is kind of a silly analogy. Gaming PCs, including prebuilts, custom, and laptops, are a $40 billion dollar a year business worldwide. Google alone makes that two months, Apple in less than that. The smartphone market is 10 times bigger than all of PC gaming. It’s like seeing someone fail a trig test (in, to be fair, a pretty embarrassing way), and concluding that they literally know nothing about all of math. Yes, I’m aware I’m feeding the troll. I’m bad at letting bad arguments lie


A2N2T t1_j6vzxsx wrote

Ummmm i dont think you understood what i mean...the verge released a step by step guide on how to build a PC on youtube.

Needless to say, after watching that video, i will not be taking any tech advice from them.

Its so bad, it makes me wonder who approved the release of the video.


needlesfox OP t1_j6w02lh wrote

Yeah, I’m familiar with the lore. If you’re curious about how the video got made, why don’t you watch the Linus Tech Tips video explaining exactly that?


A2N2T t1_j6w0a2o wrote

So how could you possibly trust a tech publication whos higher ups clearly have no problem releasing a how to build a pc guide that would literally destroy most of your components if you followed it?

It brings all their articles/opinions into a bad light...and frankly its laughable that they didnt address it.


A2N2T t1_j6w4ggr wrote

I did watch it, I also watched non-shill channels reacting to it...all channels I trust for tech news and builds, and they were laughing at how idiotically confident the video was in its poor advice, and instruction.

You must work for them if you refer to their video as "lore"


A2N2T t1_j6w4rr5 wrote

And please bear in mind, im talking about the publication releasing the video, insisting it be filmed the way it was and finding no problems with the finished product.

It says nothing to the person building it, and how they couldn't stand up for themselves and ended up needing to damage control their reputation because of it (the Linus vid still doesn't address some glaring pieces of advice too)

Im talking about just The Verge. Stefan was just a wet towel at the time, when he should've been a rock.


Polymorph49 t1_j6w99mv wrote

The verge is mostly satire, it's not meant to be seen as the pinnacle of tech news.


Jimothy_Tomathan t1_j6y8db0 wrote

Who cares? Honestly, if I lived the type of life where I'd frequently need a backup feature like this, I sure as shit would have a dedicated device for it and would absolutely not be relying on my phone for it.


noontch5678 t1_j6zd2c9 wrote

People don’t plan emergencies.


TurtleWitch t1_j70qg2c wrote

I like to prepare for the worst, especially on my hikes


Hmm_would_bang t1_j73ez33 wrote

Me too. That’s why whenever I go for a day hike I bring a gallon of water, a sleeping bag, several days of food, make shift shelter, a sat phone, a water filter, some fire starter, bear mace, a couple flares, a hatchet, a gun, a first aid kit, and most importantly a full change of clothes in case I get wet.

Don’t know why everyone doesn’t do this for every hike they go on


JeffFromSchool t1_j782t9g wrote

Right but if you life in a densely populated area and you're not an outdoorsy person, there isn't really a situation where you're going to need it.

That's like saying you can't plan for emergencies, so you better back that lead anti-radiation suit wherever you go. You know if you're the type of person that needs such a thing or not.


chickenlittle53 t1_j72ouki wrote

They plan emergency responses all the time. Entire jobs are literally designed specifically for it. No one should be doing dangerous shit without planning on what to do during emergencies. There is a huge market surrounded around emergencies for a reason with devices specifically for for a reason. Smart/prudent people do plan for emergencies.


compguy96 t1_j6vt8ep wrote

"Samsung's S23s" is like saying "Apple's 14s". Apple's phone series is called iPhone, Samsung's phone series is called Galaxy.


Projeffboy t1_j6w6huf wrote

You mean saying samsung 23 is like saying apple 14. It’s good enough to say S23 in a tech context


compguy96 t1_j6weif9 wrote

Just because the Galaxy models have a letter, doesn't mean it's good enough. Some iPhone models have letters too. No one says "Apple 14 Pro" so you shouldn't say "Samsung S23 Ultra"


Projeffboy t1_j6wflc2 wrote

But a lot of ppl just refer to it as s23. Mkbhd literally calls it that without galaxy in his latest video


siberianxanadu t1_j72b5rc wrote

I’ve referred to my phone as a “13 pro max” plenty of times.

“What kind of phone do you have?” “A 13 pro max.” “Oh cool I have an S22.”


needlesfox OP t1_j6vtso5 wrote

Yeah, that's fair. Serves me right for trying to come up with a new headline.


Hiddieman t1_j6xas35 wrote

The recognition of the galaxy name is not as big as apples iPhone though, and if it just said the 23s I’d have to take a few seconds to make sure I have the right phone and company in mind. For the general verge reader the title makes perfect sense.


OGBEES t1_j6xh4ta wrote

Buys apple because of the satellite phone, no one Bats an eye. Buy an earthquake emergency box and throw it in your closet just in case, and the you're a right wing prepper extremist.


JeffFromSchool t1_j782yqn wrote

>Buy an earthquake emergency box and throw it in your closet just in case, and the you're a right wing prepper extremist.

Who thinks this?


redditor012499 t1_j6yvbll wrote

I don’t think that’s crazy. Having some preparedness is logical imo. I try to always carry a first aid box atleast. Edit: on my car. Don’t carry it in person.


Beehous t1_j6xhavq wrote

After how many times Apple didn't have an answer for samsung features (outside of rolling those same features out 2 years later and saying it was 'innovation').


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redditor012499 t1_j6yvqv3 wrote

I mean, it is ending. Just not as fast as people think. Eventually the sun will swallow up the solar system’s planets.


an_undecided_voter t1_j6wz0rz wrote

My problem is that Android doesn't have a native app-tracking blocking feature yet. I couldn't care less about the satellite shit


redditor012499 t1_j6yvk78 wrote

This is why I switched to iPhone. Haven’t been back to android since. The amount of background tracking from android apps is terrifying. The amount of details they know about you is obnoxious.


MrProper026 t1_j6wzqtr wrote

But it does.... The new Snapdragon 8 gen 2 has satellite communication abilities.


needlesfox OP t1_j6x7bpg wrote

You need more than the chip. You also need special antennas, and the manufacturer has to make a deal with Qualcomm to activate the feature.


MrProper026 t1_j6xampl wrote

I see they didn't put the antenna in the S23... Well thats something unlike Samsung. this really seems like an easy and cheap win by just building a cheap antenna in your phone but hey, guess not.


Zeynoun t1_j6y85pj wrote

The same apple's emergency feature that doesn't work but in the US and the other 4 countries out of the 195 ?


KaiSosceles t1_j6yll9n wrote

How many times in my life have I ever needed an emergency SOS via satellite? Zero. Samsung doesn't need an answer. They don't need to invest resources into a .0000001% demographic.


KhaoticKid98 t1_j713hdp wrote

You never need anything until you do... this is shit logic. Just because you or I dont need it, doesnt mean someone else wouldn't benefit. People who camp off, grid, hike, etc. could definitely benefit from something like this in an emergency situation.


KaiSosceles t1_j72imon wrote

“I never thought I’d need a dick in my ass…until I did.”


wyyldstallyns t1_j6zm0u5 wrote

At CES i forget the company but they were showing off their new processor which included satellite sms capabilities. I assume it’ll cost a “small fee”


baldieforprez t1_j6yvmcy wrote

This was a crappy article; cleary written by an apple fan. the SOS via Satellite is nothing but a gimmick.


baldieforprez t1_j6yw6xs wrote

Anyone who remotely cares about this sort of tech will already have a Spot beacon.

I would be willing to be my life on works better than the Apple SOS via Satellite.


kymotsujason t1_j6zxmaw wrote

Written like a true Apple fanboy.


KhaoticKid98 t1_j713b4j wrote

I thought a key feature of the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 was this satellite 2 way messaging feature. I was waiting for Sammy to talk about it in the keynote, but they never did. Disappointing tbh.


rawkhounding t1_j7exubh wrote

My s20 has amazing zoom but I'd also like a macro lens, is there any discussion of that?


Sinful-Sammy t1_j6ycgn7 wrote

How much is this SOS feature on iPhones? I believe I heard it's free trail for the iPhone 14 but there is a subscription fee from what I recall.


needlesfox OP t1_j6ydpg8 wrote

Apple says it's free for two years from when you get the phone, and hasn't said anything about how much it'll cost after that period. I bet they haven't decided yet, because... well, they won't have to deal with it for another year and a half at this point.


Sinful-Sammy t1_j6yftaa wrote

Wow two years of free service is nice. I was just thinking it's such a useful feature but if you don't pay for it and get lost you can't just simply activate it lol. Hmm.


needlesfox OP t1_j6yg188 wrote

It's interesting because some dedicated emergency satellite devices actually work like that. My Garmin Inreach warns me every time I start it up that it will not do an emergency SOS call if I don't have an active subscription.


Sinful-Sammy t1_j6yhoar wrote

Oh that's neat. Sounds super useful. I'm surprised Samsung isn't pushing for this feature.


compaqdeskpro t1_j6yi4ts wrote

Samsung does have an answer, they have the stupid emergency call button right below the 0 on the unlock screen, worst idea ever. I was almost going to buy an iPhone until I heard about this feature. I better get a 13 before they are discontinued.


needlesfox OP t1_j6yrfe8 wrote

I think you might not understand what this is. iOS also has an emergency call thing, which functions similar to Samsung's (though it's slightly more difficult to activate, I've never done it by accident). That's existed for a long time, and would be on an iPhone 13 as well.

The thing the iPhone 14 added was the ability to contact emergency services even if you don't have cell service. It's an option within the existing emergency call system; if it detects you don't have service, it'll let you message search and rescue via a satellite system.


compaqdeskpro t1_j71xosw wrote

I know, its right next to the shut down dialogue, its just a phone call, Apple's feature routes through through a third party satellite service. I'll wait until my opinion is more fully baked before commenting. I would bet money there will be a debate in the future when Apple doesn't want to pay for this service or the third party wants more money. Ie, Adobe and Pantone.


Eokokok t1_j6yviww wrote

Oh noes... Does it at least have good battery, or maybe decent anthena? Or is it as big garbage as S22?


needlesfox OP t1_j6z1v6u wrote

I think the batteries for the S23 and S23+ are around 200mAh higher -- and assumedly there's going to be some sort of efficiency gains from the new chips in them. But I'd wait for reviews, I think.


joevsyou t1_j70xga8 wrote

Lol for whom? That one single person who even thinks they will actually use the feature out of 100m phones


daking999 t1_j72jfae wrote

Welp... no new phone for me yet then. Guess that's good.


DamianDaws t1_j73wgup wrote

Apple literally pushed this out and is going to monetize it thinking that it’ll convince people to pay for it. lmao.


thisotherguy87 t1_j7c2pay wrote

Pretty sure Google phones have had accident detection for a while now. But Apple adds it to their iPhones and its the best thing ever? Cell phones have all reached a plateau and we are all waiting for the "next big thing".


bofh420_1 t1_j7d2ltq wrote

Look at 9 to 5 MAC apparently those alert are mixed with a lot of fakes.


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needlesfox OP t1_j6x826o wrote

Agreed, but Elon said it’s not launching in beta until the end of this year. Given his track record of hitting deadlines that probably means we won’t actually be able to use this until, like, 2025


ammergg264 t1_j6ygvu8 wrote

Lol the need for that article


alstergee t1_j70euyb wrote

Good nobody wants swat showing up cause they were masturbating and dropped their phone on the floor


SeverusSnek2020 t1_j6yl3a0 wrote

Pretty sure emergency services will be happy as they keep having to 'rescue' skiers that just fell down.


needlesfox OP t1_j6yrndz wrote

The thing causing that is crash detection, which is a completely different thing than the emergency SOS via satellite.


awr90 t1_j6zc9oq wrote

I can’t believe people still care about the galaxy S12345 or whatever the fuck number they are on this month.


KhaoticKid98 t1_j713kis wrote

People care about a lot of things that You or I may not care about lol. Dude wtf?


lordytoo t1_j6w11fq wrote

No one gives a flying hoot about bullshit apple "innovation"


Sassquatch0 t1_j6w6m1c wrote

Satellite service has already saved a couple lives.

You're a fucking idiot.


Stryker2279 t1_j6y5hif wrote

A couple. Out of how many incidents in the world? Like I'm happy that people got saved, but to act like this feature is so revolutionary is blowing the feature out of proportion a whole hell of a lot. No one is gonna switch from android to iPhone to get this feature when you can buy an emergency transponder that also connects to satellites for a couple hundred bucks. Like, it's a nice feature to have, but it's moreso a "huh, neat" than a "this is the only reason I will buy this phone"

Android fan boys stop acting like this feature is so dumb, it's objectively a good feature, and Apple fan boys stop acting like this is the greatest feature ever. It's a good feature, but it's not that good.


danxmanly t1_j6y2q2k wrote

And their crash detection has thousands of false alerts.


ssclanker t1_j6wm08r wrote

Why would they? Samsung isn't known for putting useful features into their phones, only stuff no one would use.


Stryker2279 t1_j6y3vk7 wrote

How in the hell is a satellite emergency phone so useful that you use the feature as a comparison point in the same way you would use a headphone jack? 911 already routes through any signal regardless so you would have to be out of reception from ANY cell phone tower, which means that help is probably not coming fast even if you did call for it.


Taolan13 t1_j6wqljv wrote

You do realize that apple patented the feature, right? So in order for Samsung to have an "answer" for it, they would either need to pay apple for licensing or develop a sufficiently unique way of doing it.

And y'all want to pretend like Samsung are the bad guys.


ImplodingLlamas t1_j6x5s0m wrote

What part of it did Apple patent?

Qualcomm, the company that makes the processors for Samsung phones, just recently unveiled their own satellite-based SMS system. I'm betting it was simply too late to add to this year's model and we'll see it in the S24.


mofa90277 t1_j6xcqbi wrote

Apple didn’t patent “satellite phones;” it patented a satellite antenna switching system to reuse antenna components. Nothing is preventing other manufacturers from implementing general satellite phone communications.


Taolan13 t1_j6xcw86 wrote

Apple,'s SOS feature is not a satellite phone feature.


GreyJedi56 t1_j6va604 wrote

Don't worry all it cost Apple was one of the 6 cameras/s